----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: RE: Corrected French history (was RE: Deadlier Than War)
> > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda > > ... > > > I would go so far as to say that the people of France > > could hardly have fought less hard. But the Vichy > > government, as I've pointed out several times, and as > > you've never even attempted to rebut, > > But I have. I pointed out that it only came into existence as a result of > the defeat of France's army and the nation's surrender. I have pointed out > that it was a puppet of the Nazis. Do you disagree? But, why was the resistance less than in other occupied countires? > > - you have not > > even attempted to rebut their central context, which > > is that everyone in France, from Vichy to the average > > Jean Winebottle in Paris, had a choice to act > > differently, and they almost all failed. > > I strongly disagree and can't quite see why you wouldn't regard what I've > written as an explicit rebuttal. Many in France helped to hide Jews and get > them out of the country. Maybe some numbers would help. How many escaped from France with French help? Gautam claimed that the French record was much worse than other countries. Do you have numbers that indicate that the French did a heroic job fighting the actions of the Vichy goverment that was imposed on them, but that they were just overmanned. It would also help to give some numbers of non-Jewish Frechmen who were tortured, killed or imprisoned for protecting Jews. > > > Italy was an > > Axis country - it did not participate in the same way. > > Bulgaria was an allied Axis power - it succeeded in > > saving almost all of its Jews. > > I thought Bulgaria was the only other nation under occupation to have a > puppet government openly collaborate in the manner of the Vichys. Is that > not correct? Gautam said that the German armies didn't even bother going into Vichy controlled territory. Do you dispute this? If not, they are unusual puppets who gained power without the help of the German army. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
