+1 to needing better tools for handling OOO, and big +1 to using gwsq when
there are many reviewers to balance.

Given that long leave is potentially 6 months, but unlikely to be 12 months
(citation needed), how about changing the criteria to 12 months? Then it
sort of covers both "long-tme inactive" and "non-OOO". Regardless, until we
have better tooling for OOO, I think it's reasonable to remove people who
are currently inactive and they can be re-added later.

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 11:47, Kentaro Hara <[email protected]> wrote:

> +1 to improving the tool to handle OOO owners.
>
> Let's step back. The problem I'm solving now is: currently OWNERS files
> contain many long-time inactive, non-OOO owners. The goal is to remove
> them. Do you agree with the goal?
>
> The "long-time inactive" part is covered by looking into their review /
> commit activities in the past 6 months.
>
> The "non-OOO" part is tricky because currently there is no way to get the
> information from the tool. I'm not sure if giving an option to manually
> flip the decision is a great solution because if they are long-time OOO,
> they are not likely to be looking at this email and get removed anyway.
> Then I thought that it's more reasonable to execute the clean-up process
> unconditionally while explicitly saying that they can explain the situation
> and re-add themselves when they are back (where they can refer to this
> email thread).
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 1:41 AM K. Moon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On a related topic, one challenge that I have with OOO status is that
>> it's hard to update all the places where you might want to note that (each
>> Gerrit repository, Slack, external Gmail, internal Gmail, Calendar, ...).
>> For Googlers, I have decent tooling for checking whether they're OOO, in my
>> time zone, or whatever (although better integration would save me time),
>> but if I wasn't a Googler (and didn't have access to those tools), or I
>> want to check the status of a non-Googler, it's often not as easy, or
>> impossible.
>>
>> It'd be great if there were One Tool that (opt-in) tracked OOO status in
>> a centralized directory, and worked whether or not you had a Google or
>> Chromium account.
>>
>> For parts of the tree that need to balance between a large number of
>> reviewers, something like gwsq probably would be a decent solution.
>> (//ipc/SECURITY_OWNERS is using this now; I think trees like //content
>> would benefit as well.)
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:56 AM Peter Boström <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with the policy to not remove owners because they are on leave.
>>> Owners plus OOO status should inform owner selection and we still need that
>>> because we shouldn't remove owners while they are out for a week but they
>>> sure shouldn't be used during that week.
>>>
>>> If OOO is an efficient signal this should be sufficient without force
>>> removing folks on leave. If OOO isn't a sufficient signal and introduces
>>> review latency we should look at why that is instead and fix our tooling.
>>>
>>> If I may spitball another reason for latency we should maybe also
>>> surface how long folks review queues are and perhaps use that to help guide
>>> owners selection.
>>>
>>> Also because I'm already up on my soapbox, if you're fast and not
>>> overloaded and want to help with the review load, please put something like
>>> "fast" or "more reviews plz" in your Gerrit status to encourage more
>>> reviews your way (me inspired by ellyjones@ here). Encourage others to
>>> do the same and reward this as a community contribution.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:15 AM K. Moon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think our owner-suggesting tooling really needs to be better about
>>>> deprioritizing owners who are on leave (as well as better load balancing).
>>>> I'm not sure periodically removing and re-adding owners is the right
>>>> long-term fix, but it could be acceptable if we're working on better
>>>> infrastructure in the meanwhile.
>>>>
>>>> I think another good, oft-discussed improvement would be to separate
>>>> Review+1 from Owners+1. This would make the review load for owners more
>>>> manageable, as they can just say that they approve of the overall change,
>>>> without also marking every file they own as reviewed (and all that 
>>>> implies).
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 7:34 AM 'Matt Menke' via blink-dev <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:29 AM Ali Juma <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 6:07 AM Kentaro Hara <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks all for the input!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dana:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This list includes per-file owners, did the script look for 100 CLs
>>>>>>>> in those files named by the rule when deciding to remove the person?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for pointing this out! I'll exclude per-file owners from the
>>>>>>> list for now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm worried that this process excludes/penalizes folks who may be
>>>>>>>> OOO for extended leave (incl long stretches of parental leave, 
>>>>>>>> bereavement)
>>>>>>>> and have that in their Gerrit status. This should not be a source of 
>>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>>> latency, if it is Gerrit should better surface that they are OOO.
>>>>>>>> Are any of the inactive owners, who did opt out last time, a source
>>>>>>>> of review latency? I.e. are reviews assigned to them but they don't 
>>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>>> them within some SLO window? Otherwise I strongly suggest we let folks
>>>>>>>> decline the OWNERS removal (at other OWNERS' discretion who should 
>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>> review removal CLs).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think Glen covered this topic very well. As written in this
>>>>>>> guideline
>>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/code_reviews.md#expectations-of-owners>,
>>>>>>> owners are expected to be an active contributor to the directory ("Have 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> bandwidth to contribute to reviews in a timely manner. ... Don't try to
>>>>>>> discourage people from sending reviews, including writing “slow” or
>>>>>>> “emeritus” after your name."). If you are on an extended leave and 
>>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>> by this process, you can explain it and re-add yourself through the 
>>>>>>> owner
>>>>>>> nomination process. Will it work?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next guideline
>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/code_reviews.md#removal-of-owners>
>>>>>>  (on
>>>>>> removal of owners) explicitly excludes owners who are on leave. I don't
>>>>>> think we should be adding additional friction for folks who go on leave;
>>>>>> the default assumption should be that when they return, they are just as
>>>>>> capable of being a good owner as when they left, without them having to
>>>>>> re-nominate themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The assumption is not that they're no longer good owners, but that
>>>>> people shouldn't have to spend a week waiting on them to reply to a review
>>>>> before giving up and trying someone else.  Note that owners do not need to
>>>>> be nominated - no one is losing their committer status.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe it would make more sense to identify OWNERS who are not
>>>>>>>> active globally in chrome/, instead of owners not active in a 
>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>> directory?  How common are OWNERS active in Chrome, but high latency 
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> for specific directories?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My personal opinion is that owners who made no contributions
>>>>>>> globally in the past 6 months *or* owners who made no contribution to 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> directory they own while there were 100+ commits in the past 6 months 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> be identified as inactive owners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that this is not an irreversible process. When you have a
>>>>>>> reason, you can explain it and re-add yourself through the owner 
>>>>>>> nomination
>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not concerned about the fact that it's not reversible, but wasting
>>>>> time.  I received ~10 emails from the last mass owners purge, and Not
>>>>> LGTMing a bunch of CLs created by a tool following completely opaque rules
>>>>> seemed not a productive use of time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I'm asking as someone who was recently inundated by auto-generated
>>>>>>>> removal CLs, the majority of which did not make sense (admittedly, I
>>>>>>>> believe it wasn't based on activity). The tool even seemed to want to
>>>>>>>> remove all owners from some directories.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right, the removal tool is not looking at activities, and this
>>>>>>> proposed process is different from it. FWIW when I removed ~500 inactive
>>>>>>> owners last year, it ended up removing (only) ~10 OWNERS files. So 
>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>> all owners from some directories will be rare.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pavel:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The data in the table seems off, what is considered a "review": is
>>>>>>>> that a "Code Review +1" or is that any review comment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Code Review +1" in the git commit log is considered as "review".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also have an edge case where I'm mostly interested in several
>>>>>>>> files in a folder where other files are being changed more frequently,
>>>>>>>> should I be optimizing OWNERS to list myself as per-file?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This sounds reasonable to me :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recently tried a similar automated audit of inactive owners - I
>>>>>>>> looked for anyone who hadn't reviewed or authored a CL in 12 months
>>>>>>>> anywhere, regardless of activity in the directory and found (as list,
>>>>>>>> Google internal only) many accounts that no longer exist (or perhaps 
>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>> did) in OWNERS. It probably has different false positives than the 
>>>>>>>> proposed
>>>>>>>> set above. Maybe the intersection of the two sets would be sensible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm happy to tweak the criteria depending on the conclusion of this
>>>>>>> email thread :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 3:32 PM Glen Robertson <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Having your name on OWNERS is an award for your previous amazing
>>>>>>>> contributions
>>>>>>>> I'm concerned that being in OWNERS is regarded as a reward, and
>>>>>>>> being removed as a penalty -- it is part of the problem with cleaning 
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> inactive OWNERS. I'd much prefer to have a separate "amazing 
>>>>>>>> contributors"
>>>>>>>> file to list people who have made amazing contributions, without this
>>>>>>>> affecting the code review process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Owners are supposed to be
>>>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/code_reviews.md#expectations-of-owners>
>>>>>>>> active reviewers for a directory. I'd even expect us to remove people 
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> go on long leave, unless Gerrit can understand that status and avoid
>>>>>>>> suggesting them for reviews (currently it does not do that well). 
>>>>>>>> Re-adding
>>>>>>>> an owner is not an arduous process, but adding days to a code review 
>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>> significant cost.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recently tried a similar automated audit of inactive owners - I
>>>>>>>> looked for anyone who hadn't reviewed or authored a CL in 12 months
>>>>>>>> anywhere, regardless of activity in the directory and found
>>>>>>>> <https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/3750667>
>>>>>>>>  (as list, Google internal only
>>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BWvj44vJUjSXUHI85fJwX8AgIoYR5SkAm378pp80ljw/edit?resourcekey=0-7pInBE4h65x3c5t6Af1hbA#gid=0>)
>>>>>>>> many accounts that no longer exist (or perhaps never did) in OWNERS. It
>>>>>>>> probably has different false positives than the proposed set above. 
>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>>> the intersection of the two sets would be sensible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 07:45, Pavel Feldman <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The data in the table seems off, what is considered a "review": is
>>>>>>>>> that a "Code Review +1" or is that any review comment?
>>>>>>>>> I also have an edge case where I'm mostly interested in several
>>>>>>>>> files in a folder where other files are being changed more frequently,
>>>>>>>>> should I be optimizing OWNERS to list myself as per-file?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 2:16:47 PM UTC-7 Matt Menke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it would make more sense to identify OWNERS who are not
>>>>>>>>>> active globally in chrome/, instead of owners not active in a 
>>>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>>> directory?  How common are OWNERS active in Chrome, but high latency 
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> for specific directories?  I'm asking as someone who was recently 
>>>>>>>>>> inundated
>>>>>>>>>> by auto-generated removal CLs, the majority of which did not make 
>>>>>>>>>> sense
>>>>>>>>>> (admittedly, I believe it wasn't based on activity).  The tool even 
>>>>>>>>>> seemed
>>>>>>>>>> to want to remove all owners from some directories.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 5:03:05 PM UTC-4 [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I echo Dana's concern about removing per-file owners and would
>>>>>>>>>>> like to see that policy rethought. Agree with Peter's observations 
>>>>>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Ken
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 9:12 AM Peter Boström <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm worried that this process excludes/penalizes folks who may
>>>>>>>>>>>> be OOO for extended leave (incl long stretches of parental leave,
>>>>>>>>>>>> bereavement) and have that in their Gerrit status. This should not 
>>>>>>>>>>>> be a
>>>>>>>>>>>> source of review latency, if it is Gerrit should better surface 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are OOO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are any of the inactive owners, who did opt out last time, a
>>>>>>>>>>>> source of review latency? I.e. are reviews assigned to them but 
>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> review them within some SLO window? Otherwise I strongly suggest 
>>>>>>>>>>>> we let
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks decline the OWNERS removal (at other OWNERS' discretion who 
>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably review removal CLs).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 8:08 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This list includes per-file owners, did the script look for 100
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLs in *those files* named by the rule when deciding to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the person?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 9:16 PM Kentaro Hara <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As of 2022 July, Chromium has 4531 OWNERS files containing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6850 names. These include inactive owners, which are one of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sources of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow code review latency. One year ago, we cleaned up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inactive owners
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-dev/c/MpOgk56qKS0/m/HHy7G19oAwAJ>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and removed ~500 inactive owners. I propose running the clean-up 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again to keep the OWNERS files updated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, a person is identified as an "inactive" owner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iff:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    The person didn't commit or review any CLs in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    directory they own while there were 100+ CLs that touched the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directory in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    the past 6 months (as of July 6, 2022).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year, I gave the inactive owners an option to flip the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision manually to stay as an owner, but for this cycle, I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the inactive owners unconditionally. The rationale is 1) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person made no contribution on a very active directory for 6 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be reasonable to say that the person is inactive, and 2) if 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any special reason for it and the person needs to stay as an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owner, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can show evidence that they are meeting the owners
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/code_reviews.md#expectations-of-owners>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and be readded through the standard OWNERS nomination process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, people listed in this spreadsheet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gJbXzTaoITvCDmQaqMmGCvfOngrcFtMPmMsGhHgEV_4/edit#gid=0>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are identified as inactive owners and will be removed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand this is a tricky proposal. Having your name on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OWNERS is an award for your previous amazing contributions, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feeling about your name being removed. However, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's important to keep the OWNERS files updated so that Chromium 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can find active owners and improve the code review latency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions / concerns, please let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
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