On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 10:00 PM 'Rahul Arakeri' via blink-dev < blink-dev@chromium.org> wrote:
> Just checking in on this.. Please let us know if you need anything from us > to move this discussion along. > Hi Rahul, Since this is an intent to implement you don't need any official approval from an API owner. Feel free to start landing code. Let me know if you run into any issues, happy to help unblock progress. > > Thanks, > > Rahul > > > > *From:* Rahul Arakeri > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 1, 2022 11:43 AM > *To:* 'Steve Kobes' <sko...@chromium.org> > *Cc:* Chris Harrelson <chris...@chromium.org>; Ian Kilpatrick < > ikilpatr...@chromium.org>; Mike Taylor <miketa...@chromium.org>; > blink-dev@chromium.org; Robert Flack <fla...@chromium.org>; wangxianzhu < > wangxian...@chromium.org>; p...@chromium.org; input-...@chromium.org; > Yaroslav Shalivskyy <yshalivs...@microsoft.com>; Olga Gerchikov < > gerch...@microsoft.com>; Sahir Vellani <sahir.vell...@microsoft.com>; Ben > Mathwig <benjamin.math...@microsoft.com> > *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] Intent to implement: Fluent > Scrollbars. > > > > Re Steve: For Linux, we don't have a strong preference on the default > scrollbar mode (and we don’t yet know the scope of work needed since we > never tested this feature on Linux). > > For Windows however, we recommend having minimal mode as the default as > outlined in the visual spec > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EpJnWAcPCxBQo6zPGR1Tg1NACiIJ-6dk7cYyK1DhBWw/edit> > . > > > > Re all: Please let us know if we all have consensus on the visual styling > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EpJnWAcPCxBQo6zPGR1Tg1NACiIJ-6dk7cYyK1DhBWw/edit> > of the scrollbars. If you want to see the feature in action, please feel > free to check out Microsoft Edge Canary > <https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download/canary>. > (Experimental flag *edge://flags/#edge-overlay-scrollbars-win-style*). > > > > *From:* Steve Kobes <sko...@chromium.org> > *Sent:* Monday, January 31, 2022 11:38 AM > *To:* Rahul Arakeri <arak...@microsoft.com> > *Cc:* Chris Harrelson <chris...@chromium.org>; Ian Kilpatrick < > ikilpatr...@chromium.org>; Mike Taylor <miketa...@chromium.org>; > blink-dev@chromium.org; Robert Flack <fla...@chromium.org>; wangxianzhu < > wangxian...@chromium.org>; p...@chromium.org; input-...@chromium.org; > Yaroslav Shalivskyy <yshalivs...@microsoft.com>; Olga Gerchikov < > gerch...@microsoft.com>; Sahir Vellani <sahir.vell...@microsoft.com>; Ben > Mathwig <benjamin.math...@microsoft.com> > *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] Intent to implement: Fluent > Scrollbars. > > > > Keeping non-overlay by default on Linux would be one way to mitigate the > risk that Ian mentions, namely that bugs specific to non-overlay mode may > creep in and not be noticed quickly. (This concern applies to some degree > both to bugs in websites, and bugs in Chrome.) > > > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 2:23 PM 'Rahul Arakeri' via input-dev < > input-...@chromium.org> wrote: > > Thanks Ian :) > > > > Re Chris: > > There will be some OS wiring missing (like switching between dark/light > modes, "Always show scrollbars”, etc) but most of the code should just > work. Note that we've never really tested this feature on Linux so we do > not have an exhaustive list of stuff that will not work on Linux. > > > > *From:* Chris Harrelson <chris...@chromium.org> > *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2022 3:45 PM > *To:* Ian Kilpatrick <ikilpatr...@chromium.org> > *Cc:* Rahul Arakeri <arak...@microsoft.com>; Mike Taylor < > miketa...@chromium.org>; blink-dev@chromium.org; Robert Flack < > fla...@chromium.org>; wangxianzhu <wangxian...@chromium.org>; > p...@chromium.org; input-...@chromium.org; Yaroslav Shalivskyy < > yshalivs...@microsoft.com>; Olga Gerchikov <gerch...@microsoft.com>; > Sahir Vellani <sahir.vell...@microsoft.com>; Ben Mathwig < > benjamin.math...@microsoft.com> > *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] Intent to implement: Fluent > Scrollbars. > > > > Re Linux: I'm hoping we can just use the same code on Linux so that we > have overlay scrollbars everywhere. Rahul, would that work code-wise? > > > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 3:40 PM Ian Kilpatrick <ikilpatr...@chromium.org> > wrote: > > Exciting! > > > > Adding onto Rahul's answer here a little - overlay scrollbars (or > scrollbars which take to zero space) already exist on other platforms (e.g. > they are the default on OSX). It won't/shouldn't be a web compat concern as > most websites handle this already. > > > > An interesting side effect of this will likely be that we'll see more > sites (who are built after this change goes in) assume that scrollbars are > always zero width (as this is now the default on all platforms except > linux?) and as a result more content going forward being broken for those > users who opt-out. > > (To be clear there isn't much we can do about this - but an interesting > side effect). > > > > Ian > > > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 2:51 PM 'Rahul Arakeri' via blink-dev < > blink-dev@chromium.org> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > > > Sure, I’ve created a chromestatus entry here: > https://chromestatus.com/feature/5693137379917824 > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchromestatus.com%2Ffeature%2F5693137379917824&data=04%7C01%7Carakeri%40microsoft.com%7C56c7c213db54433a31d408d9e4f14171%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637792547151618118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Aip5B8Tt1H%2FfRmK95ZpVweqeEqlYiCyD%2F%2FgI%2BBSqoHo%3D&reserved=0> > > And yes, this proposed change is expected to have an impact on the page’s > layout. In it’s default state, the scrollbars will be in “minimal mode” > (aka overlay scrollbars). These will *not* take up any layout space > (whereas, today in Chromium, the default scrollbars take up 17px AFAIK). > > The users will however still have an option to “Always show scrollbars” > via an OS setting. These *will* take up layout space (similar to what > Chromium scrollbars do today). > > > > Thanks, > > Rahul > > > > *From:* Mike Taylor <miketa...@chromium.org> > *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2022 12:20 PM > *To:* Rahul Arakeri <arak...@microsoft.com> > *Cc:* blink-dev@chromium.org; Robert Flack <fla...@chromium.org>; > wangxianzhu <wangxian...@chromium.org>; p...@chromium.org; > input-...@chromium.org; Yaroslav Shalivskyy <yshalivs...@microsoft.com>; > Olga Gerchikov <gerch...@microsoft.com>; Sahir Vellani < > sahir.vell...@microsoft.com>; Ben Mathwig <benjamin.math...@microsoft.com> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] Intent to implement: Fluent > Scrollbars. > > > > Hi Rahul, > > > > Would you mind creating a chromestatus entry for this intent? (See "Step > 0" at http://dev.chromium.org/blink/launching-features > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdev.chromium.org%2Fblink%2Flaunching-features&data=04%7C01%7Carakeri%40microsoft.com%7C56c7c213db54433a31d408d9e4f14171%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637792547151618118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Kbr6Nk3tg0rCLaHL1J3Kl2kuvmx0gMUJRPyKdcrx3zA%3D&reserved=0> > for a link). > > > > Also, out of curiosity (because I don't know much about scrollbars) - will > this proposed change have an impact on a page's layout? > > > > thanks, > Mike > > > > On 1/28/22 2:50 PM, 'Rahul Arakeri' via blink-dev wrote: > > *Intent to implement: Fluent Scrollbars.* > > > > *Contact emails* > > Rahul Arakeri: arak...@microsoft.com > > Yaroslav Shalivskyy: yshalivs...@microsoft.com > > Sahir Vellani: sahir.vell...@microsoft.com > > Olga Gerchikov: gerch...@microsoft.com > > Ben Mathwig: benjamin.math...@microsoft.com > > > > *Visual Spec* > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EpJnWAcPCxBQo6zPGR1Tg1NACiIJ-6dk7cYyK1DhBWw/edit > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1EpJnWAcPCxBQo6zPGR1Tg1NACiIJ-6dk7cYyK1DhBWw%2Fedit&data=04%7C01%7Carakeri%40microsoft.com%7C56c7c213db54433a31d408d9e4f14171%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637792547151618118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Yclc7DUMlvJXamT8JK5AzZEzcmExKlr8iRhPKLrc958%3D&reserved=0> > > > > *Summary* > > This proposal is to modernize the Chromium scrollbars (both overlay and > non-overlay) to fit the Windows 11 Fluent design language. As a part of > this effort, we are proposing to update the visual appearance along with > some changes to how users interact with overlay scrollbars. > > > > *Motivation* > > As the rest of Windows has been embracing WinUI and native Fluent > controls, certain non-XAML apps like Chromium-based browsers still use the > traditional (Win32 looking) scrollbars. As such, we believe that the visual > appearance of scrollbars could use an update in the interest of maintaining > homogeneity with the rest of Windows. > > In a nutshell, we’re proposing that the default scrollbars should act more > like overlay scrollbars, be thinner, have insets and rounded edges. Users > will still have an option to select non overlay scrollbars via the "Always > show scrollbars" OS setting. Non overlay scrollbars will also be restyled > to match Windows theme. 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