Hi,
My thoughts on that.
1. JS is very hard.
Despite many people saying how easy it is, and despite reading many
tutorials, I just can't grasp this idea of anonymous functions, nested
functions and the like, and that's just while learning JS itself.
Unfortunately, all that seems to be unavoidable. JS seems to be
absolutely full of it.
2. Too many layers of abstraction.
When learning JS, especially for apps, there are about three layers you
need to learn.
A. The JS language itself. Of course, when you learn that, you're most
likely gonna get the client-side end. Hard enough with all its nested
and anonymous functions.
B. Node-JS with all its ridiculous asynchronus callback blah and NPM
package management bleh.
C. Electron, which just seems to be a universe in and of itself.
3. Too much bloatiness.
As someone who has been developing in BGT for ages, I'm used to
portable, single-file apps. Pack the sounds, and the docs...Hell, you
don't really even need an installer! Electron? No way. Locales folder,
resources folder, several *.pak, *.dll and *.bin files, all these
unnecessary licences...No thanks! Also, I've seen Electron-based apps
run duplicated copies of themselves. Again, no thanks! I have no idea
what they are doing.
4. Is it really necessary to turn computers into big fat webservers just
for running potentially small applications?
I might sound very old-school...Either that or I'm not grasping an
obvious concept here. But JS is supposed to be a web platform. JS itself
was made for modifying webpages at the client end, and then Node.JS was
made for webservers, and it only seems to be thanks to that and the many
libraries available for it that you can write so-called desktop apps in
JS. Even if you're not using the server part of Node, the fact that its
original aim was for running JS on a server, is like saying that I'm
going to start writing games in AutoIt, a scripting language designed
for system administration.
While I have played JS-based audio games, I don't think I would
recommend going down that route personally, as, because it's designed
for websites, games, and even any other so-called apps, have a tendancy
to be very slow and clunky, not to mention confusing to screenreaders
and their browser functions.
They also seem to be prone to errors, I'm guessing that's probably to do
with the amount of abstraction involved. Indeed, even the new Beatstar
came up with "BeatstarJS is not working, close button" and so on, about
ten times after launching it. Then, for no obvious reason whatsoever,
just out of the blue, it worked.
Let's not forget the old PB-Games that pretty much crashed every other
run, Yeah, that JS may have been powered by Internet Explorer...There's
another can of worms altogether. But still.
As for the new Electron-based Skype, don't even get me started.
I tend to keep desktop applications to languages like C/C++, using
proper GUI technology like the Windows API, or if I really want to be
cross-platform I might be a little daring and use WXWidgets. I might
also possibly use Python or BASIC if I'm not overly bothered about
people nicking my source code and aren't particularly fussed about
performance. Either way, whatever language I use I'm always in for a
bumpy ride. But whatever I use, I fully intend to leave JS and PHP for
what they were meant to be...Websites.
Again. Call me old fashioned. But that's just me. Maybe that's why I
find outside-BGT languages complicated. All these libraries and
dependencies and abstract layering...Headache tablets, anyone?
Cheers,
Damien.
On 21/05/2018 06:31 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
I recommend new users move on to JS as it's a very comprehensive
platform, it's fast, and has libraries for everything.
On 5/21/18, Shaun Everiss <[email protected]> wrote:
It depends if its a comercial game or not.
I guess if you left it in source format bgt for mat you could run it.
Python could be an option visual studio.
Oriol is doing java, its called electron and while it has its issues it
seems to run fine.
Sadly yeah the engines.
Unreal does work and unity but their ides just suck.
On 5/21/2018 3:36 PM, Marvin Hunkin via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi. So would you then recommend me using blast studio tool kit or some
thing
else. Or just code it and then design like in visual studio 2017. Pity
there's no accessible game engine, not even unreal is accessible. Any
thoughts, ideas.
Construct 2 d is accessible with jaws.
Thanks.
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