A number of people have responded to my inquiry about the long-billed peep
at Rock Point Provincial Park, Ontario which was seen on Sept. 6.  Some
responses were summarized on the OFO web site where a few photos of the bird
were also posted.  Here I wish to summarize more responses and give some of
my own views about this bird.

For simplicity I will break these down into the Western camp, the
Semipalmated camp, and the undecided.  It should be recognized that some
opinions expressing either Western or Semi. were not firmly held.

PRO-WESTERN:
1) My guess is your bird is a Western Sandpiper based on the rufuos coloring
on the scapulars.  I think the bill is also tapered like a Western.  Having
said
that I have seen several birds very similar to this in Western New York.  I
think it's really impossible to seperate all Western/Semis.
2) I would lean towards Western for the following reasons:
a. It has the classic Western bill profile: relatively heavy based with an
even slope, it also lacks the slightly bulbous tip typical of Semi.
b. The rufous tones in the crown feathers and scapulars (but noted your
caveat on tones).
c. Apparent lack of semipalmations.
d. Sharply defined streaks on upper breast.
The relatively "short" bill suggests a male. All of this caveated: I spent 3
years in the Caribbean in Barbados where there is about a 50/50 split
between Western & Semi and concluded that about one third are
unidentifiable, at least in winter plumage.  Yours is pretty close to the
line between the two.
3) There is no question in my mind about the ID to species of this bird...
Western SP in adult basic plumage. To go further out on the limb, I have
NEVER seen a Semi-Sand with a honker bill like that!  The bill shape
especially, in length, depth and size, really speaks "Western" and not
Semi-Sand, to me.
4) Bird to me looks like a Western. Some points in favor, I believe, include
a bill with a tip down at the end and also appears thick at the base.  I
wonder, when the bird was in the water, if it was picking or probing -
Westerns as you know often dunk their heads under the water while feeding.
Don't like to ignore the rufous on the back, as you say one should, in the
places, as someone has said already, where it should be rufous.

PRO-SEMIPALMATED
1) My first concern was that the bill on this bird seemed to be on the thick
side rather than the thin, drooped at the end, bill I look for in a WESA.
Secondly, WESA always appear to me to be on the plump or chunky side.  I
don't get that feeling about this bird.
2) Looked again at your pics. I think 'birder #5' is right that the flare at
the tip of the bill is more appropriate for Semi than Western (I was
commenting more on length and droop).  The hints of red on the crown and at
the bases of a few alternate scapulars (middle pics) seem well in the range
for Semi. The extent of the dark centers of these feathers also seems good
for Semi.
3) I think I'd have just looked at the dingy gray of the head with lack of
prominence of the supercillium and at the bill and called it a Semipalmated
and moved to other birds without getting wrapped up with the other details.
The very little reddish in the crown or scapulars combined with the amount
of smudging or streaking on the breast, as noted by at least one of the
others, would also have worked to put me off even having Western come to
mind.
4) I would probably pass on a definitive ID, but my gut feel is that the
bird is a Semipalmated. The bill seems somewhat blunt at the tip, although
consistent with the photographs of Western in the Facts on File North
Atlantic Shorebirds book. One of your observers notes that Semi's do get
streaks on the flanks, which was news to me. The streaks that are visible
seem to be just that, streaks, rather than the chevrons of Western. The vast
majority of birds that I ID as Western annually show at least some telltale
rufous, which you said this bird did not show.  On occasion I have seen
adults in breeding or faded breeding plumage, although not recently. They
always show some rufous on the cheeks or scapulars, and usually the cap. Of
course if they are even more faded and didn't have any color, I have
probably passed them by as Semi's, which are abundant around here.
5) Another point that I have been discussing is the geographic variability
in Semipalmated Sandpiper bill length.  The easternmost breeding populations
have the longest bills - such that female Semi's overlap a fair bit with
male Westerns.  I think Kaufman discusses this in his "Advanced Birding"
book.  One possibility for the discrepancy in responses from the interior
vs. the coast may be that shorter-billed birds prevail in the interior,
while we may see longer-billed individuals on the
coast?  This website has some info on relative bill sizes, although I'm not
sure of the source:

http://www.birdinghawaii.co.uk/XKiiPeep2.htm

I did a web search for Semi Sand images to see what variability there was in
plumage color & underparts variation.  Lo & behold, I found a nice variety
of pictures right on Angus Wilson's website!  See here:

http://www.oceanwanderers.com/SemiSand1.html

I would say that Bird #1 is probably about the brightest extreme in terms of
head/face color - none of the rest, however, would be unexpected in spring.
Note also the underparts markings on figs 2, 3, 7, 8 etc.   Arrow like
chevrons on the breast and distinct, thin streaks down the flanks are quite
common.  Obviously these plumage characters would need to be
"translated" into late fall plumage but I think they give some idea of the
variability.

Angus Wilson also has a few pictures of adult Western Sandpipers from early
August here:

http://www.oceanwanderers.com/WestSand.1.html

These again would need to be mentally advanced by about a month but the
state of molt of your bird (alternate vs. basic feathers) seems closest to
figs 1 & 3 - these retain a number of extensively red-based scapulars and
thick chevron-like underparts markings.
6) I think the red tones are a little misleading (?). To me, your bird is a
Semi-p, probably female based on bill length. In my eyes, other than the
bill, there is nothing to suggest Western, and  bill length is too variable
to use as a basis for separating both species. I see birds with bills like
this regularly.

To me, the head pattern, particularly the pale eyering and brown washed ear
coverts, combined with the shape of the supercilium is typical Semi-p. The
state of the moult is more in line with Semi-p, which moult later than
Westerns (which should be largely more advanced into winter by this date)

The pattern of the underparts is typical Semi-p, with streaking more or less
forming a pectoral band and the lower breast and belly white. Westerns would
show a more varied pattern of markings, with more defined chevrons/marks on
the lower underparts.

A couple of things I feel is not understood from reading the posts of those
that favor Western are:
Alternate Semi-ps are incredibly variable in late summer.
Semi-ps do consistently show flank streaking, some more than others but it
is not at all unusual.
Semip-s do have paler areas at the bases of alternate scapulars.
Semi-ps do show bills as long as Westerns and they are not unusual.
Moult timing can help in the id of birds (particularly juveniles).
Female Semi-ps can be bigger, longer-legged and long-billed  and using size
and structure on these birds is not easy due to the difference in
morphometrics.

UNDECIDED
1) I don't believe anyone will be able to tell. Too much overlap in plumage
and the bill is intermediate. If anyone can prove it one way or another, I'd
like to know about it, because I'll learn something.

MY OPINION
After having considered all of the responses, I now believe this bird is a
Semipalmated Sandpiper in spite of its bill.  My reasons follow.
A) I suspect that Atlantic coastal birders see more long-billed Semi's than
birders around the Great Lakes so they are less prone to be swayed by that
feature.  It should be noted, however, that even a couple of coastal birders
felt the bill supported Western.  Opinions were split on this bird's
bill-shape.  Some felt it looked like what a Western's should, lacking a
bulbous tip, and others felt it looked okay for a Semi, with a wider tip.  I
think the bill was long, slightly drooped, and finer at the tip than most
Semi's - thus, more like a Western but not the "classic" Western shape with
a very fine tip as shown by the juvenile Western seen near this bird.
B) From studying the birds at the links provided by responder #5 under
Semipalmated above, I would expect a moulting adult Western with as much
retained alternate plumage as this bird has, to show at least a few
chevron-shapes on the sides, below the concentration of markings on the
breast.  Note that Semi's can show chevrons on the sides of the upper breast
and apparantly even further down in fresh alternate plumage, as shown by
some of the photos on Angus Wilson's web site.
C) I saw an adult Semi with the long-billed peep at Rock Point that showed
even more extensive lower flank markings.  As others have indicated, this is
not indicative of Western.
D) When Jim Pawlicki and I studied this bird in the field, we detected no
red.  I admit that because I was trying to get photos, I could have missed
seeing this.  But I doubt that Jim would also, as he was really looking hard
at the bird.  And I know my camera - even characters that are warm brown may
appear somewhat rufous after my camera gets through with it.  Would an adult
Western lose all, or almost all of its rufous by this stage of its moult?
One observer suggested that that was not likely.  But another told me
verbally that some adult Westerns do lose all rufous by early September -
perhaps he was referring to birds in more advanced moult?
E) The heavily marked ear coverts and shape of the supercilium also support
Semi.

Thanks to everyone who sent in comments and a special thanks to the Ontario
Field Ornithologists for hosting the photos and discussion on their web site
and to Sandra Eadie who does such a great job as their web master.

Good birding!
Willie
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Willie D'Anna
Betsy Potter
Wilson, N.Y.
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