Hi Ray,
I agree that this is a serious issue and would like to see this
resolved. The good news is that it's actively being discussed[1][2][3]
and there is, what seems to me, a good proposal[4] by Mike Drake
(LichenDigital) that has had no major objections and seems to show an
understanding of both sides of this, complex, contentious, issue. If
this proposal does not have one already, I propose that it be given an
official branch to allow development and testing, at least to some basic
degree of functionality (some parts of the proposal would require
significant development time and so are impractical to include), so that
it can be practically determined if it would meet the needs of peoples'
diverse workflows. From what I've seen Mike Drake (LichenDigital) seems
to be working hard with the community on this issue, and I think would
be open to implementing his proposal as a branch, if asked.
Ryan Inch (Imaginer)
[1]
https://devtalk.blender.org/t/blender-deleted-my-un-assigned-materials-how-is-that-a-feature-fake-user/22715
[2]
https://devtalk.blender.org/t/proposal-explicit-management-of-data-blocks-and-possible-deprecation-of-fake-user/22852
[3] https://developer.blender.org/T61209
[4] https://developer.blender.org/T61209#1304227
On 2022-05-10 06:00 AM, bf-committers-requ...@blender.org wrote:
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Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 13:12:09 -0600
From: Ray Molenkamp<r...@lazydodo.com>
To: bf-blender developers<bf-committers@blender.org>
Subject: [Bf-committers] Handling of user data.
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All,
It's been years [1] (2018) since I last was rather
vocal on this subject, but how is this [2] still
happening? "Yes, blender deleted your data (and silently
at that), that means it's working correctly!" cannot
possibly be the best we can do, is it?
While I'm excited with all the directions blender
development is currently going, it's utterly depressing that
users are still losing data on a daily basis because
we can't quite get the basics right like "do not delete the
users data without their consent".
These are*NOT* isolated incidents [3]. Losing your
data and learning about "the fake user" shouldn't be
a right of passage to become "a real blender user".
Users shouldn't be silently*losing* data in an operation
ironically called*saving*. That's crazy, no other
application behaves like this!
Yes, I know this is how we have always done it. No,
this is not OK, never was.
Ton: Please make protecting the user’s data a
priority, as it doesn’t seem this will happen otherwise.
--Ray
[1]https://devtalk.blender.org/t/oh-no/505/2
[2]https://developer.blender.org/T97968
[3]https://devtalk.blender.org/t/more/22715
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