Hi, This kind of communication indeed doesn't belong in the report and the image we want to project.
Everyone contributing to Blender is to uphold a professional behavior. And we should work to make sure slips like this don't happen again. Thank you, -Dalai- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dalai Felinto - da...@blender.org - www.blender.org Blender Development Coordinator Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands Op vr 24 sep. 2021 om 14:48 schreef Monique Dewanchand via Bf-committers < bf-committers@blender.org>: > I think Ryan's remarks raises some valid points. > > Putting words like "sigh" in your reports, to me, is not very professional. > As developers we all have had our moments of frustration and sometimes > unwillingly express those. > I hope we can forgive Bastien for this. > However I would expect from a Development Coordinator to notice these types > of things and act upon them. But perhaps my expectations are incorrect. > Is someone responsible for the quality of 'official' development > communications (like release notes etc )? > > In my experience, years and years ago, when there were only 2 devs > receiving some minimalistic contributions from Blender, I loved > contributing to Blender. > I found the overall vibe and attitude very pleasant, there was respect, > room for good discussions and constructive criticism. This vibe rapidly > changed when Blender started to hire more and more devs. (More)Processes, > rules and regulations made their way into Blender development, all for good > reasons, but at the expense of respect, good discussions and constructive > criticism. > Contributing to Blender Development had become frustrating for me, so I > stopt and decided to contribute in a different way (teaching Blender and > working on add-ons). > > In recent years I've noticed quite an improvement in the way blender > developers are communicating with "contributors". Is it perfect? Not yet. > Is there room for improvement? Yes, but it's definitely better than what it > used to be. I do think that contributors are still very valuable for > Blender development so I hope that blender devs, coordinators and > contributors take a bit more care in how they cooperate and communicate. > > kind regards, > Monique > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 12:42 PM Thomas Dinges via Bf-committers < > bf-committers@blender.org> wrote: > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > I am not Dalai, but as Developer Community Coordinator I will try to > > answer. > > > > 1) As Ankit already mentioned, the message was likely marked as spam by > > some e-mail filter. Nothing more :) > > > > 2) Bastien replied to your mail and explained the situation and the > > reason for his note in the report. He also apologized and confirmed that > > it was not meant as a personal attack. > > > > The Blender developers do their best to communicate professionally and > > friendly. In my (round about) 7 years as contributor, in my free time, I > > always felt welcome. > > There were of course times, when I disagreed with the decisions made by > > module owners or the admins. At times this was a little bit frustrating. > > But the communication was always professional and friendly. > > > > We can of course argue about remarks such as the "(sigh...") in a > > report, but Bastien explained the situation and I don't see a personal > > attack in there, only a little bit of frustration and a remark that is > > human. > > > > Best regards, > > Thomas > > > > Am 24.09.2021 um 07:59 schrieb Ryan Inch via Bf-committers: > > > Thanks for your quick reply Bastian. My email wasn't a prompt to be > > > defensive but a request for clarification from Dalai as the Blender > > > Development Coordinator. Depending on what Dalai says, I'll follow up > > > with your points if need be because this is not about me but how > > > community developers are treated. > > > > > > Dalai, as Blender Development Coordinator, one specific request from > > > the Epic MegaGrant was to make Blender more professional. I and other > > > community devs and members do not think this kind of notation is > > > professional. It also disincentivizes engagement between core devs > > > and community devs who do consider this a type of attack. > > > > > > So again, my question to you as the Blender Development Coordinator is > > > 'In what case is it acceptable for a developer to put something like > > > "Spent time on re-explaining/re-investigating T9599 (sigh…)." in their > > > official weekly development notes?' And now, in what case is it > > > acceptable to mark an email asking about such an issue as spam? I was > > > under the impression that personal attacks were not tolerated? > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > On 2021-09-21 06:00 AM, bf-committers-requ...@blender.org wrote: > > >> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 09:20:11 +0200 > > >> From: Bastien Montagne <montagn...@wanadoo.fr> > > >> To: Ryan Inch via Bf-committers <bf-committers@blender.org> > > >> Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] *** SPAM *** Weekly Development Notes > > >> Followup > > >> Message-ID: <c6100f56-9813-aebe-01ae-5e3b70f57...@wanadoo.fr> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > >> > > >> Hi Ryan, > > >> > > >> Not sure how you see that as a personal attack? Fact is, I think > > >> spending half a day on something does earns it a note in the weekly > > >> report. > > >> > > >> And yes, I was frustrated spending time having to demo the issue after > > >> explaining it's cause/source, finding again the exact use case > > >> triggering it, rebuilding both branch and master to ensure it was > proper > > >> example, etc. We all have (tight) schedules and I was frustrated this > > >> was considered high priority enough to take it over more pressing > > >> matters for Blender 3.0 upcoming BCon2. > > >> > > >> I know that expressing personal frustration may not be a good idea, > but > > >> that does not in any case make it a personal attack, sorry if you felt > > >> it like that. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Bastien. > > >> > > >> On 9/21/21 8:49 AM, Ryan Inch via Bf-committers wrote: > > >>> Hello Dalai, > > >>> I missed reading Bastien's weekly notes last week or I would have > > >>> brought this issue up then. In Bastien's notes for Week 425 - 09/04 > > >>> to 09/10, one of his notes is this: "Spent time on > > >>> re-explaining/re-investigating T9599 (sigh…)." > > >>> > > >>> In what case is it acceptable for a developer to put something like > > >>> this in their official weekly development notes? I was under the > > >>> impression that personal attacks were not tolerated? 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