On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 04:27 , Robert Beau Link wrote:
> On Thursday 25 April 2002 08:45 am, Ron Goral wrote:
>> I do agree that the mysteries of the *NIX OS should not be covered
>> in a list like this, but...
[..]
> but aren't perl's roots are in unix system admin, isn't that what Mr.
> Wall wrote it for?
unix sysAdds took to it because they were 'wimps' and did not
have the 'big stones' to master 'sed' and 'awk' and 'grep'
and do complex, esoteric and arcane convolutions in /bin/sh
that come with a flat name space management problem - in
the days before /bin/sh had 'functions' as an archetype...
{ ok, so invoking mknod to make a named pipe to talk between
two shell scripts may not have been a good idea.... }
{ ok, so the CERN 'losers' did that http/html thing because
ftp/telnet was 'hard' - the whiners... }
8-)
RealMen[tm] Code in Perl because it's just simpler.
> To folks lacking the context of unix much of perl
> is simply impossible to figure out.
part of it is that the 'unix freaks' come from 'the network
IS the solution' - approach - and hence want our code to do
for us, that which we need done, but otherwise interrupts
our flaming our friends and enemies on 'the net'.
So depending on how much of that 'system' like background
you already have - that is a part of what you are kvetching about.
It is not always the 'kernel internals' - but much of the basic
'unix context' that is just weird.... Unix remains one of the
most backward at the 'user interface layer' - but at Oh Dark
Squat, all you have is an accoustic coupler for that modem,
a dial up connection and that Admiral Terminal - Kick It
Down, Who Cares, we can get a tty line and ROCK! Mouse What???
[..]
> One thought is that perhaps "beginners" is more heterogeneous a
> collection than some might expect.
[..]
you ain't just whistling dixie there....
those of us who have coded but not had the time to study
come back and learn new tricks....
I mean I just learned that I can use bbedit on my OS X
box as a Perl IDE - so... it's all trades here...
ciao
drieux
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