Thank you all for your answers, I will try to answer you in one post. *"You never told us if your product was using custom hardware or incorporating the beaglebone board."* If I use something else than QNX, I won't be able to port all the work made by my colleague. In fact, we are creating and developping our own electronic cards and we use QNX to programm them. We wanted to use the BeagleBone Black to realize some tests (test bench) on our products and by using QNX, we just should have ported our already existing programs. I'm not the person in charge of programming, builing, compiling QNX but I develop the product in which our cards are installed. This is why I don't understand everything about BSP, QNX, etc.
*"As you ask, what is missing from the BSP that needs building?" : *We want to add the IsaGraf drivers in order to make the BeagleBone Black a target source in which we can send programms. I think, the BSp does need to be modified in that case , doesn't it ? We cannot upgrade our QNX development system because it would be too dangerous. We have only one licence and we don't want to destroy anything. Le vendredi 5 mars 2021 à 04:07:15 UTC+1, robert.sty...@gmail.com a écrit : > Upgrading QNX Development System. > > From memory, it is more involved than downloading a SP file and running > it. > You have to unzip the download. > Find the old files. > Copy the old files to a backup name or folder. > Copy the new files from the zip archive, over the old files. > > On Friday, 5 March 2021 at 02:59:32 UTC robert.sty...@gmail.com wrote: > >> As you ask, what is missing from the BSP that needs building? If nothing, >> the next step is getting network setup to connect with SSH and IDE, >> possibly run network file system client to access files on your development >> PC. >> >> >> Re: File System Image (I cannot remember all the details) >> >> You use an IDE BSP project to build a bootable image including your >> application (started by boot script which also loads any needed drivers). >> This bootable image can be copied to a flash drive or accessed from a >> network file system (during development). >> The bootable image may be compressed read-only and expanded into a RAM >> backed 'disk' or expanded on the fly. >> >> During application development, the bootable image boots to "sh" command >> line. You can run any missed commands in the boot script. >> You use the IDE to connect the debugger over ethernet to QNX process and >> temporary download your debug version application. The IDE debugger can >> run, pause, single-step, etc. >> >> In the BSP project you edit a configuration which controls what is >> included in the boot image. You add or remove files from the prebuilt >> folder. You edit the start up script to load and configure drivers. >> >> In QNX drivers and file-systems are server processes/programs which >> respond to certain messages. Most QNX programs and applications are servers >> which wait on a message queue. >> QNX provides a POSIX wrapper server which converts system calls into >> send-wait-reply messages or convert signals into send-and-forget pulse >> messages. QNX also has time limited blocking on both send and receive >> messages. >> >> The QNX micro-kernel schedules process execution, allocates memory for >> messages, and transfers messages between processes. >> It is supported server programs to implement the OS functions. >> >> On Friday, 5 March 2021 at 00:22:31 UTC lazarman wrote: >> >>> The file system isn't the BSP. This part supplies all architecture >>> specific(ASP) functions like Cache,MMU and the board specific drivers for >>> on chip peripherals on all cores. >>> >>> If I understand Lucas correctly and you look at the zip file he >>> provided the support is limited as to drivers and he needs to recompile >>> that and add to it. >>> That's the only reason he can't use the binary. >>> >>> From your response it appears you didn't need to modify this. >>> >>> I would guess the x15 BSP is more inclusive and mature but doubt it >>> provided loading c6x DSP code or Cortex M4 code but it's not relevant to >>> Lucas. >>> >>> Your experience with support below >>> >>> <<We did not have gold level support, questions often take days to be >>> answered <<and often direct you to documentation and someone who can >>> program it for <<you at a cost. It might be non paying users only had >>> community support >>> >>> To me it sounds like Lucas has the tin can support which is similar to >>> open source support. >>> >>> Ie post and pray😉 >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 4:34 PM, Robert Forsyth >>> <robert.sty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Old product used QNX 6, had long (6 months~1 year) trial licence for >>> 7.0, I think I was able to build the file-system image, but could not get >>> the driver for vector graphics processor to recognize the hardware, so the >>> tiger demo did not work on AM5728 BB X15. (This is probably because GC320 >>> is a compositor, not vector-graphics like GC355.) >>> >>> We did not have gold level support, questions often take days to be >>> answered and often direct you to documentation and someone who can program >>> it for you at a cost. It might be non paying users only had community >>> support, if you are trying to sell QNX, you need to make it easy as pie to >>> switch from something free. >>> >>> QNX development works well, once hardware and software development is >>> setup, I would say it is easier to develop and debug communicating >>> multi-process applications on QNX than Windows, Linux or RTOS (QNX IPC >>> coincided with what I learned at uni); if you don't try to do it the Linux >>> way. RTOS probably has the closest IPC ability to QNX, but way cruder; QNX >>> has lovely variable length message passing. >>> Technical and library problems seemed often like Windows: you know what >>> you want to do, and you found a function which seems like it would do what >>> you want, but the documentation says something like "setWombat( x ) sets >>> the wombat to x" and you find you have spent hours/days finding how it >>> works. >>> Some drivers were based on Linux version, using QNX version >>> >>> Linux and RTOS are free, process isolation with separate processors is >>> cheapish, but takes up PCB space. I think Qt sold infotainment, QNX would >>> useful for process isolation on one (multi-core) processor, so you could >>> isolate the infotainment application from the air-bag monitor. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 at 18:41, 'Mark Lazarewicz' via BeagleBoard < >>> beagl...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Robert >>> >>> That's good to know I saw the x15 7.0 BSP >>> Where you able to rebuild BSP sources ? >>> And do they actually respond to support questions for educational users? >>> 😉 >>> >>> >>> Looks like most of their revenue comes from automobile infotainmen at >>> least the people hiring recently >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 12:35 PM, robert.sty...@gmail.com >>> <robert.sty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> 7.0 worked on X15 except vector graphics >>> >>> On Thursday, 4 March 2021 at 17:51:42 UTC lazarman wrote: >>> >>> Page 15 of the pdf you sent we need that document >>> >>> . Please refer to the QNX SDP 6.6.0 BSPs guide, available as part of the >>> QNX Software Development Platform OS Core Components documentation >>> >>> I also need you to see if you can get the latest BSP referenced in my >>> previous post I think it was 7.0 >>> >>> I have uncovered at least 5 problems with your original posting its a >>> QXX documentation mismatch not you. I am concerned this stuff you started >>> with is very old and probally not supported by Blackberry >>> >>> You have to start simple and slowly and logically so be patient before >>> we start with 7.0 we need the document above >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 12:58:16 PM CST, 'Mark Lazarewicz' via >>> BeagleBoard <beagl...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> These commands you entered are where? uboot? >>> >>> --> fatload mmc 0 0x81000000 prebuilt-bsp-ti-beaglebone.ifs >>> --> go 0x81000000 >>> >>> Why not automate these commands ? >>> >>> <<<if I compile the BSP without modifying anything, I should get the >>> prebuilt image, right ? >>> >>> In theory if you have a license BUT >>> some RTOS companies dont supply BSP source code unless you paid fees >>> >>> So do you need to modify BSP> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 09:03:22 AM CST, Lucas SOLDA < >>> lucas...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> I have a BeagleBone Black REV C. >>> There was nothing on the SD before. I did not touch to the EMC so I >>> think there is nothing inside. >>> My company has a QNX 6.5.0 SP1 licence and here is the list of the tools >>> installed on my computer: >>> >>> [image: 1.png] >>> [image: 2.jpg] >>> >>> First, I formated my SD card in FAT32, I made it active by using >>> diskpart and I copied the MLO and then the u-boot files. I took them from >>> here : >>> https://community.qnx.com/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.bsp/wiki/TiAm335Beaglebone >>> Bootloader modules# >>> <https://community.qnx.com/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.bsp/wiki/TiAm335Beaglebone#section-TiAm335Beaglebone-BootloaderModules> >>> --> >>> *"Click here >>> <http://community.qnx.com/sf/frs/do/viewRelease/projects.bsp/frs.texas_instruments_am335_beaglebo.mlo_and_u_boot_binaries_for_beag> >>> to >>> download the MLO and u-boot binaries for the new Beaglebone Black platform. >>> "* >>> >>> After that, I downloaded the BSP files: QNX Neutrino 6.5.0 SP1# >>> <https://community.qnx.com/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.bsp/wiki/TiAm335Beaglebone#section-TiAm335Beaglebone-QNXNeutrino6.5.0SP1> >>> --> *Download *Project Downloads >>> <http://community.qnx.com/sf/frs/do/viewRelease/projects.bsp/frs.texas_instruments_am335_beaglebo.qnx_650_bsp_beaglebone_1_00_zip> >>> --> bsp-nto650-ti-beaglebone-sp1-trunk-201209071340.zip >>> <https://community.qnx.com/sf/frs/do/downloadFile/projects.bsp/frs.texas_instruments_am335_beaglebo.qnx_650_bsp_beaglebone_1_00_zip/frs36857?dl=1> >>> (I attach MLO, u-boot and BSP to this mail) >>> After extracting, I copied the file "prebuilt-bsp-ti-beaglebone.ifs" in >>> the "image" folder to my sdcard and I could succesfully launch QNX on my >>> BBB by typing these commands : >>> --> fatload mmc 0 0x81000000 prebuilt-bsp-ti-beaglebone.ifs >>> --> go 0x81000000 >>> >>> That worked perfectly. >>> >>> When I try to compile the image by myself it gets complicated. >>> >>> if I compile the BSP without modifying anything, I should get the >>> prebuilt image, right ? >>> The problem is that, when I do that, I have the message I gave in the >>> first post and it says that I compile with QNX 6.5.0 and not with QNX 6.5.0 >>> SP1 (whereas it is installed). >>> >>> *"I'm guessing you have no support forum or no ones replying at QNX?" *I >>> don't have support anymore and the only thing the told me is that I don't >>> use QNX 6.5.0 SP1 >>> >>> I don't know what to do anymore and the QNX SDP is not on my computer so >>> I can't use it whenever I want >>> >>> Le mercredi 3 mars 2021 à 15:03:47 UTC+1, lazarman a écrit : >>> >>> Let's start with some history about what rev board you have , what was >>> on SD before and whats in the emc now and details about tools you >>> installed to build BSP and QNX and exactly the BSP file's you are compiling >>> as well as your goals. Are you trying to eventually modify the BSP source? >>> I'm guessing you have no support forum or no ones replying at QNX? >>> I need a clear picture of what you did exactly installing tools as in >>> did you install multiple times etc etc >>> >>> I'll look at the pdf you supplied and ponder whether it worthwhile and >>> practical to find my Beagleboard,Whites,blacks or even Pandaboard. >>> power supplies may be hard to match I've moved a lot. I guess a black >>> would be easy for me to find but may be in storage. >>> >>> Also maybe they will let me reeducate myself as I'm not working on a >>> commercial product and give me access otherwise it's harder to help. >>> >>> Hopefully I can get you on the right path >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:15 AM, Lucas SOLDA >>> <lucas...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I can send you the files if you don't have an account. >>> >>> I use the MLO and u-boot files for beaglebone black from this link : >>> "Click *here >>> <http://community.qnx.com/sf/frs/do/viewRelease/projects.bsp/frs.texas_instruments_am335_beaglebo.mlo_and_u_boot_binaries_for_beag>* >>> to >>> download the MLO and u-boot binaries for the new Beaglebone Black >>> platform.". >>> >>> The fact you pointed is troubling. I don't understand why the BSP is >>> unchanged between beagleboard and BBB. >>> >>> "*Perhaps if you disassemble the binary and look at the bone memory map >>> and the linker map and the u boot load address for QNX there's a mismatch * >>> *do you have access to BSP users guide? " * >>> >>> I will try to do that but I'm not an expert. I have access to the user >>> guide yes... >>> Le mercredi 3 mars 2021 à 08:09:38 UTC+1, Lucas SOLDA a écrit : >>> >>> @lazarman, in fact I'm not a student and I have a company account with a >>> QNX 6.5.0 SP1 licence. I have also already registered to the" QNX Software >>> Development Platform 6.5.x (registration)" link that you gave me. The >>> problem is not the fact that I can't download and install the SDP but the >>> fact that when I build the image thanks to the BSP, I don't have the same >>> result as the prebuilt image >>> >>> Le mercredi 3 mars 2021 à 00:24:34 UTC+1, lazarman a écrit : >>> >>> Hi Robert I think Lucas is saying he's only trying to build the BSP not >>> QNX. >>> >>> I did this 10 years ago and I also had the latest BSP guides I tried >>> getting these and you need a customer login. It says it's free for >>> education but again BlackBerry bought this. >>> >>> What's funny is this link below takes you to another page which says we >>> support these processors. It also says you should lose the latest version's >>> >>> QNX SDP 7.0 BSP for Texas Instruments AM335x (Beaglebone Black) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://blackberry.qnx.com/en/support/qnx-board-support-packages >>> >>> Clicking on the above link next to the BSP you see another page saying >>> >>> >>> The QNX Software Center enables you to download and manage QNX Software >>> Development Platform version 7.x and related products. PDF documentation >>> and Licensing information relating to QNX SDP 7 and related products can >>> also be found here. *IMPORTANT: SDP 7.x licenses are initially >>> delivered within the myQNX License Manager >>> <https://www.qnx.com/account/dashboard/%22> and MUST be assigned to users >>> via the license manager in order for them to access the product.* >>> >>> And no code just a login. >>> >>> That BSP Lucas references is over 6 year's old. >>> >>> Even 10 year's ago you needed a valid company domain and email address >>> for QNX I know GreenHills and maybe WindRiver as well wouldn't even reply >>> to a free email domain and definitely won't give you a 30 day level >>> license key that the license manager needed >>> >>> Lucas is this for education 😉?? 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