On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:28 AM, ॥ स्वक्ष ॥ <v...@svaksha.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 11:27, Ramdas S <ram...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > [.....] > > If you want to offer training free, do it for a community that deserves. > Go > > to engineering colleges or schools, and organize a workshop or two, > create a > > few pythonistas there. > > I am a little stunned after reading the above. Setting aside the 'free > vs non-free debate', are you implying that people who are not studying > in "engineering colleges or schools are a community that dont deserve > Django training" and/or are incapable of learning it? I am not quite > sure what exactly your point here is, but your last para above > definitely smacks of ageism** -- something very commonly practiced in > India but few will admit it openly. Free software reverses all > cognitive bias'es (with respect to the individual's a(p)ttitude to > learning) and being an employer yourself, I hope you dont really mean > that people outside a University/College environment are not a worthy > community. Has it crossed your mind that the OP (Kenneth) offering the > training hardly would fall in the community category that you > claim/believe deserves support. This thread went OT a long time ago > but I didnt expect to see an ageism bias on a Python list. Its just > not funny. > > ** Fwiw, its not uncommon to see many Indian Universities and colleges > advertising admission cut-off requirements, say, "age limit 25 years > for Masters", etc... Essentially, that leaves people outside their > teens (or early twenties) who want to learn at the mercy of distance > education which has no value in the eyes of an employer. Its a catch22 > situation. > > I am sorry to say, but I guess you are reading too much into what I had written, and using your vivid imagination to come with ideas which was never implied. The only point I wanted to drive to the gentleman who said he will offer free training, that any* service offered freely* has* no value* in *our society*. If someone needs *to do charit*y, then do it a community that probably deserves, not to a bunch of software professionals, who has means and ways of paying for it. I am of this firm opinion and from my own little experience in the past. I suggested student community because an average student needs to depend on scholarships or parent's income to learn something more. If there are communities outside students, that deserves please go ahead. I *never made an exclusive statement *of schools and colleges. Kenneth as I understand is *offering nothing free*. He is charging* 25,000*for mentoring someone to be a Django/Python developer spending his personal time, energy and sharing his vast experience. He says exercise would take 1-3 months. Personally I feel he's charging low, but I am sure he has his economics right! It *does not in anyway make it a community* effort. Kenneth or anyone in this list has any such notion, or even making any such claims. I am not able to understand where you formed such an opinion that we are passing this off as a community effort. No we are not, and as far as I see there's *commercial in square brackets* in the subject of the mail. However if a few more experienced hands like Kenneth comes forward and creates a few more Python developers it would help the community. This I am very clear. He is offering a service, and he is expecting to be paid for it! It's no different from a service offered by some one else or by you or me. _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
