Hello Bill, On Tuesday 01 May 2007 20:32, Bill Moran wrote: > In response to "Jon Pounder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I've already sent a private email off on this, but on the list I'll leave > > it at : > > > > Kern you should be ashamed of yourself. > > Well, I can't speak officially for the Bacula project or for Kern, but I > think that's hogwash. > > If you're going to berate someone publicly, you should air the exact nature > of your grievances publicly. If you're going to keep the details private, > then you should have the good grace to keep your admonishments private as > well. To me, what you have done is the equivalent of calling him names. > > As to this specific incident. I see it all as a misunderstanding. I don't > know how interested Kern and Robert are to resolve this, but it seems to > me (from watching the public conversation) that it could be resolved > if both parties are willing to work it out.
Yes, a part of the problem at the beginning was possibly a misunderstanding, and I apologized for what I was guilty of. However, things went downhill from there, possibly exacerbated in part by the fact that there were multiple messages and something like 9 hours time difference. After all is said and done, the only part I have a hard time accepting from a Bacula developer without some sort of apology, is that a critical bug that the developer responded to (i.e. he was aware of the problem and the gravity of the problem) sat with nothing happending for a month, until several reporters complained on several email lists. The important point here, for me, is that by his own actions the developer let me believe he was working on it but that was not the case. This could have been a misunderstanding on his part. However, at a minimum a developer that finds a bug incorrectly assigned to himself should immediately assign it to the right person, to me, or simply assign it to no one. I consider this so basic that it isn't even written down ... Certain bugs (a minority) sit a long time either because they are not critical, there is a published work around, more information is needed, they are very difficult to resolve, a major design change is needed, or the developer may be temporarily busy (a few days or a week). Those cases I understand and accept, but they didn't, IMO, apply in this case. In the 5 years that the project has been public, we have only (to my knowledge) had two developers that left the project dissatisfied and in flames, which is not such a bad track record IMO considering what I have seen on other lists. I don't know what Robert will do (I did read what he said he will do), but I have recently noticed that the other developer who left some years ago in a dispute (and flames) is still using Bacula and the list :-) > > If we should be ashamed of our misunderstandings, we'd better all stop > communicating, as misunderstandings are inevitable. I think that misunderstandings and criticisms are quite common, and even more so over email. What I am really pleased about on the Bacula lists is that with a few minor, and rather unimportant exceptions, everyone has refrained from name calling and abusive language. My thanks to everyone. Please keep it up. In my own case, when re-reading some of my emails, I have to admit that at times they may seem a bit expedient, and some might even say arrogant. However if they are expedient, it is because I am in a rush -- sorry (There is a lot to do in such a short time); if they seem arrogant, IMO, arrogance is not one of my weird traits (and I have a number) and is more likely because you haven't met me personally :-) > > > > I have been involved in the Bacula project for a year now. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first 9 months I spent working 6-7 days a week, 8+ hours a day: > > > > > > porting Storage and the Director to Windows > > > > > > rewriting the installer > > > > > > redesigning the Windows build process and contributed > > > improvements to the Unix build > > > > > > fixing numerous Windows-specific as well as general bugs > > > > > > redesigning, simplifying and improving both the Windows and > > > the > > > core code > > > > > > porting the regression tests to Windows > > > > > > migrating the Source Management from CVS to Subversion > > > > > > > > > > > > I followed all the coding conventions, reviewed every significant change > > > with Kern, and did everything possible to comply with all rules (both > > > those > > > outlined in the Developer's Guide as well as those inferred from reading > > > between the lines in Kern's emails). > > > > > > > > > > > > I spent thousands of dollars putting together a test lab for all the tape > > > loader, tape drive and CD changer technologies. > > > > > > > > > > > > During the last eight weeks I've been working on reproducing and fixing a > > > tape drive on Windows bug and writing a new monitor application for > > > Windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've watched the email lists for bugs that are specific to the new > > > components I've added as well as helping users with Windows specific > > > install > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also worked on a couple of other open source projects with which I'm > > > involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, and I caught up on some of my work that actually produces income. > > > > > > > > > > > > The one thing I didn't do was update the manual. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a result, my admin privileges for the Bacula project were removed and I > > > must submit all my changes as patches for review. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've done my best to work with Kern and I thought everything was great > > > until > > > the last week when he started threatening me with removing all the > > > software > > > (Windows Server version) I'd just devoted the better part of the last year > > > working on. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what I've done to upset him, but I'm not prepared to work in > > > this environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the nice things about Open Source is that if you don't like the > > > rules > > > you can not only take your marbles and go home, you can also take the > > > other > > > guy's marbles too. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be looking into providing a supported and compatible version of the > > > software for Windows. Over time as the core code improves and diverges > > > I'll > > > probably also release versions for the other platforms too. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also make sure that I pick up bug fixes from the Bacula project. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > > > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take > > > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. 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