Kern Sibbald wrote:
> On Monday 18 December 2006 16:40, Attila Fülöp wrote:
>> Kern Sibbald wrote:
>>> On Monday 18 December 2006 15:06, Mair Wolfgang-awm013 wrote:
>>>> Ok,
>>>>
>>>> So here is an update from what I found out so far while playing around
>>>> with my Solaris system here. 
>>>>
>>>> A find for doors brings me the following list. As you can see, most of
>>>> the doors are located in the /proc. 
>>>>
>>> ...
>>>> /proc/387/fd/3
>>>>    54    0 D---------   1 root     root            0 Dec 18 12:52
>>>> /proc/397/fd/6
>>>>
>>>> Next I deleted them all:
>>>> # find / -type D -exec rm -f {} \;
>>>> (Door files in the /proc dir are not able to be deleted)
>>>>
>>>> After that, the find brings me up only the files in the /proc which is
>>>> what I wanted. 
>>>>
>>>> Then reboot. 
>>>>
>>>> After the system came up again I did the same find as above:
>>>> # find / -type D -ls
>>>> # find / -type D -ls
>>>>    60    0 Dr--r--r--   1 root     root            0 Dec 18 13:12
>>> ...
>>>>    54    0 D---------   1 root     root            0 Dec 18 13:12
>>>> /proc/385/fd/6
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, as you can see the door files got created automatically. Can this be
>>>> taken now as an evidence in general, that ALL needed doors will be
>>>> created automatically on demand by the system? 
>>>> If so, this should be added to the bacula code, that doors have to be
>>>> threatened as 'special' files and should not be backed up, as mentioned
>>>> by Kern below. 
>>> OK, but what defines a door. Is it identified by a special bit in the stat 
>>> packet?  If so what bit.
>> Yes, S_IFDOOR
> 
> That is what I had imagined.
> 
> 
>>> Can you find documentation on it? 
>> stat.h(3HEAD)
>> eg http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5173/6mbb8ae23?a=view#indexterm-360
>>
>>> If it is a 
>>> special bit, Bacula can avoid backing them up, which would then avoid the 
>>> problems during the restore.  For door files that are already backed up by 
>>> old software, we could also if they are identifiable, not retore them.
>> Should be no problem since the stat structure is saved on tape.
>> Should I look into it?
> 
> Yes, since I am not able to test it easily.

Ok, no problem since I'm working on this part of the source already.

Attila

> Regards,
> 
> Kern
> 
> 
> 
>>>> Wolfgang
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>> Mortimer
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 18:59
>>>> To: 'Richard Mortimer'; 'Kern Sibbald';
>>>> bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] restore on solaris unexpected
>>>> freeinode/problems with doors
>>>>
>>>> Replying to myself after just having looked at the OpenSolaris
>>>> sourcecode for devfsadm.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway devfsadm creates a door file as follows:
>>>>
>>>> 1 - unlink any existing file
>>>> 2 - create an empty regular file with the permissions required for
>>>>     the door. Then close the file.
>>>> 3 - use door_create() to get a door fd and then fattach it to
>>>>     the filesystem.
>>>>
>>>> Thus I think that the correct way to restore a door file is to either
>>>> (a) ignore it; or (b) create an empty regular file.
>>>>
>>>> I'm tempted to think that (b) is correct because some other uses of
>>>> doors ignore errors creating the file (some even check for existance
>>>> beforehand) and just do an fattach afterwards.
>>>>
>>>> The implementation is left as an exercise for any interested readers who
>>>> have Solaris systems!
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Richard Mortimer
>>>>> Sent: 15 December 2006 17:36
>>>>> To: 'Kern Sibbald'; bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] restore on solaris unexpected free 
>>>>> inode/problems with doors
>>>>>
>>>>> Kern,
>>>>>
>>>>> Doors are special files that are used for inter-process calls.
>>>>> Basically the calling process goes through a door into another (server
>>>>> processes) context, does the processing and returns. It is designed as
>>>>> a quick interprocess mechanism that doesn't involve a full context 
>>>>> switch to a different stack context. They work in a similar way to 
>>>>> fifo where a process associates itself with a filesystem node and 
>>>>> registers a number of handler threads that do work on their behalf.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess that the fact that you haven't heard of doors means that 
>>>>> bacula hasn't either. I don't remember exactly how you make a door 
>>>>> filesystem entry and I don't have a Solaris system on hand to take a 
>>>>> look further.
>>>>>
>>>>> The man page for door_create(3DOOR) lives at 
>>>>> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5171/6mbb6dcne?a=view
>>>>> I don't remember whether these need "restoring" although I suspect 
>>>>> that they do because some of their functionality may be needed early 
>>>>> on in boot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> Kern Sibbald
>>>>>> Sent: 15 December 2006 17:10
>>>>>> To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] restore on solaris unexpected free inode
>>>>>> /problems with doors
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, about the only other thing I can think of is that these are 
>>>>>> some sort of
>>>>>> *special*  Solaris file that Bacula doesn't know how to properly 
>>>>>> restore or should not be restoring (sockets?) or there are some sort
>>>>>> of access control lists that are interferring with their creation, 
>>>>>> or they are files in some special system directory that probably 
>>>>>> should not be restored (e.g. /sys or /proc if it were a Linux 
>>>>>> system).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taking a careful look at the same files on a running system will 
>>>>>> probably give you a clue.  If they are sockets, you can safely 
>>>>>> ignore the error messages.
>>>>>> Version 1.39.x will not try to restore sockets if I am not
>>>>> mistaken.  
>>>>>> A good test of whether or not the restore worked is trying to boot 
>>>>>> up the system and run some programs on it -- e.g. a Window system, 
>>>>>> and build Bacula.
>>>>>> Just the same, I would not be comfortable until I understood the 
>>>>>> nature of those errors ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday 15 December 2006 17:50, Mair Wolfgang-awm013 wrote:
>>>>>>> Kern, Richard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While the System is still booted from network I did a few
>>>>>> sync's prio to
>>>>>>> umount the partition. But gave me the same error at boot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I do a fsck after umount but prio to a reboot, I see the same
>>>>>>> messages as mentioned below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I cd into the directory before the umount and before the
>>>>>> fsck. I get
>>>>>>> the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # ls -li sysevent_door
>>>>>>>     138043 ?rw-------   1 root     root           0 Dec 14 08:57
>>>>>>> sysevent_door
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you can see this file can not be identified as door. 
>>>>>> Mind the '?' it
>>>>>>> should be a 'D'. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fsck first finds the inode as 'PARTIALLY ALLOCATED
>>>>>> INODE' and in the
>>>>>>> Phase 2 it deletes these files. Means, if I mount the
>>>>>> partition again
>>>>>>> after the fsck is finished. These files are gone. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, the boot and fsck messages below seem to be from
>>>>> two different
>>>>>>> sessions. The inodes displayed at the boot time will come
>>>>> up in the
>>>>>>> fsck. But fsck finds even more of them. Sorry for that. 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Wolfgang
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Kern Sibbald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 16:39
>>>>>>> To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>>>> Cc: Mair Wolfgang-awm013
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] restore on solaris unexpected
>>>>>> free inode /
>>>>>>> problems with doors
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is an interesting way of going about a bare metal
>>>>>> recovery.  I have
>>>>>>> several suggestions that may help you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. After everything is restored and you kernel is reinstalled,
>>>>>>>     do:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     sync; sync; sync
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    which will cause the kernel disk cache to be flushed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Before rebooting, umount all disks or if they cannot be
>>>>>> unmounted,
>>>>>>>     remount them read-only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully those two items will ensure that all changed
>>>>>> information is
>>>>>>> written 
>>>>>>> to the disk before rebooting.   Concerning the _door files, 
>>>>>> I have no
>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>> what they are.  Hopefully a Solaris expert can answer the
>>>>> question.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kern
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday 15 December 2006 15:57, Mair Wolfgang-awm013 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've encountered some problems with my bare metal
>>>>>> recovery on solaris
>>>>>>>> 9 with bacula 1.38.11.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a brief description of the recovery procedure I
>>>>> did (this
>>>>>>>> might also be a good description of how to do a bare
>>>>>> metal recovery,
>>>>>>>> if this issue gets solved):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boot the client from network in singleuser mode. 
>>>>>>>> Mount a shared directory containing bacula to the client. 
>>>>>>>> # mount 192.168.230.10:/export/local /usr/local
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Partition the target hard drive.
>>>>>>>> # format
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Created a new file system on the target partition. 
>>>>>>>> # newfs /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mount the new target partition to /a # mount /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0 
>>>>>>>> /a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Create the necessary entries for the director and the
>>>>>> storage server
>>>>>>>> into the hosts file # echo "192.168.230.35 volvo" >>
>>>>>> /etc/hosts # echo
>>>>>>>> "192.168.230.30 prinz" >> /etc/hosts # echo "192.168.230.10 
>>>>>>>> automatix3" >> /etc/hosts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH var to where the bacula libs are:
>>>>>>>> # LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}:/usr/local/lib
>>>>>>>> # export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Start the bacula file daemon
>>>>>>>> # /usr/local/etc/bacula start
>>>>>>>> Starting the Bacula File daemon
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now go to the bconsole and start the restore procedure
>>>>>> and select all
>>>>>>>> files to restore:
>>>>>>>> *restore
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First you select one or more JobIds that contain files to
>>>>>> be restored.
>>>>>>>> You will be presented several methods of specifying the
>>>>>> JobIds. Then
>>>>>>>> you will be allowed to select which files from those
>>>>>> JobIds are to be
>>>>>>>> restored.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To select the JobIds, you have the following choices:
>>>>>>>>      1: List last 20 Jobs run
>>>>>>>>      2: List Jobs where a given File is saved
>>>>>>>>      3: Enter list of comma separated JobIds to select
>>>>>>>>      4: Enter SQL list command
>>>>>>>>      5: Select the most recent backup for a client
>>>>>>>>      6: Select backup for a client before a specified time
>>>>>>>>      7: Enter a list of files to restore
>>>>>>>>      8: Enter a list of files to restore before a specified time
>>>>>>>>      9: Find the JobIds of the most recent backup for a client
>>>>>>>>     10: Find the JobIds for a backup for a client before
>>>>>> a specified
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>     11: Enter a list of directories to restore for found JobIds
>>>>>>>>     12: Cancel
>>>>>>>> Select item:  (1-12): 5
>>>>>>>> Defined Clients:
>>>>>>>>      1: passat-fd
>>>>>>>> ............
>>>>>>>>     47: mondeo-fd
>>>>>>>> Select the Client (1-47): 47
>>>>>>>> Automatically selected FileSet: FullSolaris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+----
>>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+--
>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+----
>>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+--
>>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+--
>>>>>>>> ------+-----------+
>>>>>>>> | JobId | Level | JobFiles | JobBytes      | StartTime  
>>>>>          |
>>>>>>>> VolumeName    
>>>>>>>>      | StartFile |
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+----
>>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+--
>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+----
>>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+--
>>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+--
>>>>>>>> ------+-----------+
>>>>>>>> |   547 | F     |   86,228 | 1,965,081,652 | 2006-12-15 
>>>>>> 13:22:45 |
>>>>>>>> full-15-12-2006.90 |         0 |
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+----
>>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+--
>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+----
>>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+--
>>>>>> +-------+-------+----------+---------------+---------------------+--
>>>>>>>> ------+-----------+
>>>>>>>> You have selected the following JobId: 547
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Building directory tree for JobId 547 ...  
>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>> 1 Job, 83,160 files inserted into the tree.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are now entering file selection mode where you add
>>>>> (mark) and
>>>>>>>> remove
>>>>>>>> (unmark) files to be restored. No files are initially
>>>>>> added, unless
>>>>>>>> you used the "all" keyword on the command line.
>>>>>>>> Enter "done" to leave this mode.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cwd is: /
>>>>>>>> $ mark *
>>>>>>>> 86,227 files marked.
>>>>>>>> $ done
>>>>>>>> Bootstrap records written to
>>>>>>>> /var/bacula/working/volvo-dir.8.restore.bsr
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The job will require the following Volumes:
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>    full-15-12-2006.90
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 86227 files selected to be restored.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Run Restore job
>>>>>>>> JobName:    RestoreFiles
>>>>>>>> Bootstrap:  /var/bacula/working/volvo-dir.8.restore.bsr
>>>>>>>> Where:      /
>>>>>>>> Replace:    always
>>>>>>>> FileSet:    FullSolaris
>>>>>>>> Client:     mondeo-fd
>>>>>>>> Storage:    File
>>>>>>>> When:       2006-12-15 15:26:35
>>>>>>>> Catalog:    MyCatalog
>>>>>>>> Priority:   10
>>>>>>>> OK to run? (yes/mod/no): m
>>>>>>>> Parameters to modify:
>>>>>>>>      1: Level
>>>>>>>>      2: Storage
>>>>>>>>      3: Job
>>>>>>>>      4: FileSet
>>>>>>>>      5: Client
>>>>>>>>      6: When
>>>>>>>>      7: Priority
>>>>>>>>      8: Bootstrap
>>>>>>>>      9: Where
>>>>>>>>     10: Replace
>>>>>>>>     11: JobId
>>>>>>>> Select parameter to modify (1-11): 9 Please enter path prefix 
>>>>>>>> for restore (/ for none): /a Run
>>>>>> Restore job
>>>>>>>> JobName:    RestoreFiles
>>>>>>>> Bootstrap:  /var/bacula/working/volvo-dir.8.restore.bsr
>>>>>>>> Where:      /a
>>>>>>>> Replace:    always
>>>>>>>> FileSet:    FullSolaris
>>>>>>>> Client:     mondeo-fd
>>>>>>>> Storage:    File
>>>>>>>> When:       2006-12-15 15:26:35
>>>>>>>> Catalog:    MyCatalog
>>>>>>>> Priority:   10
>>>>>>>> OK to run? (yes/mod/no): y
>>>>>>>> Job started. JobId=554
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then go back to the client and:
>>>>>>>> # installboot /a/usr/platform/`uname -i`/lib/fs/ufs/bootblk 
>>>>>>>> /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Until here everything looks fine. But when I try to
>>>>> boot from the
>>>>>>>> newly created disk I see the following inode messages:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rebooting with command: boot                              
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>> Boot device: disk:a  File and args: 
>>>>>>>> SunOS Release 5.9 Version Generic_118558-11 64-bit
>>>>>> Copyright 1983-2003
>>>>>>>> Sun Microsystems, Inc.  All rights reserved.
>>>>>>>> Use is subject to license terms.
>>>>>>>> configuring IPv4 interfaces: eri0.
>>>>>>>> Hostname: mondeo
>>>>>>>> NOTICE: /: unexpected free inode 140873, run fsck(1M) -o f
>>>>>>>> NOTICE: /: unexpected free inode 140873, run fsck(1M) -o f
>>>>>>>> NOTICE: /: unexpected free inode 140876, run fsck(1M) -o f
>>>>>>>> NOTICE: /: unexpected free inode 140876, run fsck(1M) -o f
>>>>>>>> NOTICE: /: unexpected free inode 140877, run fsck(1M) -o f
>>>>>>>> mount: /var/run is already mounted, swap is busy,
>>>>>>>>         or the allowable number of mount points has been
>>>>>> exceeded The
>>>>>>>> system is coming up.  Please wait.
>>>>>>>> NOTICE: /: unexpected free inode 140878, run fsck(1M) -o f
>>>>>>>> NOTICE: /: unexpected free inode 140878, run fsck(1M) -o
>>>>>> f checking
>>>>>>>> ufs filesystems
>>>>>>>> /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s7: is clean.
>>>>>>>> LDAP domain name is ea.mot.com
>>>>>>>> starting rpc services: rpcbind keyserv done.
>>>>>>>> Setting netmask of eri0 to 255.255.255.0 Setting default IPv4 
>>>>>>>> interface for multicast: add net 224.0/4: gateway mondeo syslog
>>>>>>> service starting.
>>>>>>>> Starting the Bacula File daemon
>>>>>>>> The system is ready.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mondeo console login: 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I do a fsck I get the following messages. The first
>>>>>> one in Phase
>>>>>>>> 1 doesn't seem very harmfull to me. But the second one with the 
>>>>>>>> missing door files which get removed doesn't make me feel very 
>>>>>>>> confident although the system boots up without error
>>>>>> messages after
>>>>>>>> the fsck is finished.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # fsck /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0
>>>>>>>> ** /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s0
>>>>>>>> ** Currently Mounted on /
>>>>>>>> ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes PARTIALLY ALLOCATED INODE 
>>>>>>>> I=137137 CLEAR? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PARTIALLY ALLOCATED INODE I=138752 CLEAR? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PARTIALLY ALLOCATED INODE I=138753 CLEAR? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PARTIALLY ALLOCATED INODE I=138755 CLEAR? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PARTIALLY ALLOCATED INODE I=138756 CLEAR? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PARTIALLY ALLOCATED INODE I=138757 CLEAR? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
>>>>>>>> UNALLOCATED  I=138755  OWNER=root MODE=0 SIZE=0 MTIME=Jan
>>>>>>  1 01:00
>>>>>>>> 1970 NAME=/etc/sysevent/syseventconfd_event_channel/reg_door
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> REMOVE? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UNALLOCATED  I=137137  OWNER=root MODE=0 SIZE=0 MTIME=Jan
>>>>>>  1 01:00
>>>>>>>> 1970 NAME=/dev/.devfsadm_synch_door
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> REMOVE? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UNALLOCATED  I=138756  OWNER=root MODE=0 SIZE=0 MTIME=Jan
>>>>>>  1 01:00
>>>>>>>> 1970 NAME=/etc/sysevent/sysevent_door
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> REMOVE? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UNALLOCATED  I=138757  OWNER=root MODE=0 SIZE=0 MTIME=Jan
>>>>>>  1 01:00
>>>>>>>> 1970 NAME=/etc/sysevent/piclevent_door
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> REMOVE? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UNALLOCATED  I=138752  OWNER=root MODE=0 SIZE=0 MTIME=Jan
>>>>>>  1 01:00
>>>>>>>> 1970 NAME=/etc/sysevent/devfsadm_event_channel/reg_door
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> REMOVE? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UNALLOCATED  I=138753  OWNER=root MODE=0 SIZE=0 MTIME=Jan
>>>>>>  1 01:00
>>>>>>>> 1970
>>>>>>>> NAME=/etc/sysevent/devfsadm_event_channel/1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> REMOVE? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
>>>>>>>> ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
>>>>>>>> ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups
>>>>>>>> FREE BLK COUNT(S) WRONG IN SUPERBLK SALVAGE? y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 83047 files, 1997574 used, 3038648 free (95392 frags,
>>>>>> 367907 blocks,
>>>>>>>> 1.9%
>>>>>>>> fragmentation)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** #
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So question is why are these doors not created correctly by the
>>>>>>> restore?
>>>>>>>> And will these doors get created automatically by the
>>>>>> system if they
>>>>>>>> don't exist?
>>>>>>>> What are these partially allocated inodes? 
>>>>>>>> I've tried it several times and it shows the same
>>>>>> behaviour each time.
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Wolfgang
>>>>>>>>
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