2011/5/24 GonzO Rodrigue <worlord...@gmail.com> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Henrik Peytz <henrik.pe...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> As for "always-visible-vs-menu-toggler", well, I just happen to like >> getting rid of menus that go unused; consider it an extra feature, you >> wouldn't have to use it, just keep the menus enabled. > > > I argue the logic here should be reversed. > > To the new-ish and/or first time and/or inexperienced user, having to > discover menus is a terrible, terrible idea. > > If you want them hidden just because you like them hidden aesthetically, > then you should enable the "hide menus behind a button" option, but it > certainly should not be the default. > > I'm sorry I didn't flesh this one out more. What you're saying is what I had in mind, I don't intend to have the menus hidden by default, simply having an option that allows the user to hide them.
> If you place the menus next to the title, then you run the risk of not >> being able to drag a window > > > I thought we already covered this: all or part of the title would remain on > the bar, and serve as a drag-handle. > > Or, the Opera/Firefox idea (application title serves as menus). > It is an interesting idea, and I, as a poweruser would probably welcome it as I could easily get used to it, but it's a major break (not from Windows, not from OSX, but the WIMP-convention itself) from what new users would expect. Also, if you can only move the window with a drag-handle on, say, the utmost left part of the title-bar, then you've cut yourself off from putting the window anywhere before 0 on the x-axis of your monitor. It doesn't really matter where you put the drag-handle, you'd always be limited to only moving the window to a place where the drag-handle is visible, which is one of the reasons we use the whole length of the titlebar to move stuff across platforms.
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