Something I failed to mention here is the matter of the "time-out" allowed for 
the user to press any key to display the language selector and boot options. I 
wonder if Michael Forrest or someone can tell me what the actual length of that 
time is?

Gosh, it seems quick. Like even a momentary distraction can cause me to miss 
the opportunity even if I know that I need to press any key. I'm guessing 3 to 
5 seconds?

Just for fun I refreshed my memory by booting a Karmic CD and you of course get 
a 30 second timer displaying so you can think, "uh .......... what was I doing" 
;^/

Then I booted a Lucid CD and hit a key to display the boot options and there is 
no timeout displayed, so I assume it would sit there forever?

So, while I originally thought increasing that "timeout" would be a bad idea, 
maybe I was wrong? What do you think?

Should the "timeout" be at least 10 seconds? Or longer? Or is my perception of 
time simply poor?

It's quite possible that it's "just me", I'm old and legally blind, but it 
would be good to know what the actual "timeout" is.

Maybe just increasing that timeout slightly and improving the appearance of the 
"emblems" (with or without adding text in English) would be a simple and viable 
solution?

Please consider this just "thinking out loud". I'd hardly suggest that my ideas 
are the "best" ideas :^)

On a more personal note, I'd love to create a persistent Lucid Live USB with a 
shared data partition for recovery operations (I'm currently still using Jaunty 
due to VIA Xorg issues with Karmic), but it's inconvenient to miss the 
opportunity to edit boot options. Therefore I'm considering using an Lubuntu 
image and adding Nautilus, gedit, etc. because Lubuntu still uses the old 
behavior, but I'd miss Gnome :^(

--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Lance <lbsol...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Lance <lbsol...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Fw: Re: Rethink the noninteractive Live CD default boot?
To: "Mark Shuttleworth" <mark.shuttlewo...@canonical.com>
Cc: michael.forr...@canonical.com, ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 9:27 AM

It was certainly not my intention to "reinvent the wheel" here ;^)

In my opinion the focus should just be on whether or not we improved users 
experiences by "hiding" the options at boot?

If we want to keep the current behavior how could that be improved or made more 
user friendly?

One thought I've seen talked about on the forums is simply adding a text 
message above or below the "emblems" to the effect of, "Press any key to 
display boot options", in English since that's the default language anyway. 

I'm not really wild about that idea though as I prefer the use of "emblems" 
much in the same way that road signs are now "internationalized".

Maybe the design of the "emblems" could just be improved, or possibly just an 
increase in their font size? I often see folks at the forums refer to the 
"stick man and something else"
 :^)

Above all else I don't see this as such a grave issue that we should 
over-complicate things and create a huge task for the developers. It's a tiny 
problem so shouldn't we focus on the simplest and least time consuming 
improvements?

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