jcb> Could the right answer be to limit the effect of SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH to timestamps that will appear in built files?
I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean, Jacob. At any rate, before flailing around further, I'd like to understand why the Debian build had problems with the original mdate-sh that did nothing with SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH. Santiago? Please? This is following up on the change I made to mdate-sh following your (indirect) report at https://bugs.gnu.org/77805. Making mdate-sh aware of S_D_E caused problems (info files getting rebuild) with the RH build, per Frederic's report at https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake/2025-06/msg00016.html. Also, I'd like to hear confirmation from Frederic that my guess is correct, or not, as to why the S_D_E-enabled mdate-sh caused makeinfo reruns. In other words, to understand what's really going on :). --thanks, karl.