Hi Dhruv, Thanks for your review. We have updated the text and posted the revised files here: https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.xml https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.txt https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.pdf https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.html
Diffs highlighting the more recent updates: https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-lastdiff.html https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-lastrfcdiff.html (side by side) AUTH48 diffs: https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-auth48diff.html https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by side) Comprehensive diffs: https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-diff.html https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-rfcdiff.html (side by side) Thanks, RFC Editor/sg > On Apr 2, 2025, at 8:58 AM, Dhruv Dhody <d...@dhruvdhody.com> wrote: > > Hi Sandy, > > One tiny nit, We have one instance of "PCinit message" and one instance of > "PCinitiate message"; please change both to PCInitiate message (as per RFC > 8281) > > Thanks! > Dhruv > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 9:11 PM Sandy Ginoza <sgin...@staff.rfc-editor.org> > wrote: > Hi Cheng, > > Thank you for reply. We have updated the text and posted the revised files. > We believe you approve the RFC for publication, so we have noted your > approval on the AUTH48 page <https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9753>. We > will wait to hear from your coauthors before continuing with publication. > > Current files: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.xml > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.txt > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.pdf > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.html > > Diffs of the most recent update: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-lastdiff.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-lastrfcdiff.html (side by side) > > AUTH48 diffs: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-auth48diff.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by > side) > > Comprehensive diffs: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-diff.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-rfcdiff.html (side by side) > > Thank you, > RFC Editor/sg > > > > > On Apr 2, 2025, at 2:02 AM, Cheng Li <c...@huawei.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Sandy, > > > > Just to be clear. I confirm that we can publish the RFC. > > > > Thanks, > > Cheng > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cheng Li > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2025 11:20 AM > > To: 'Sandy Ginoza' <sgin...@staff.rfc-editor.org> > > Cc: RFC Editor <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org>; Zhenghaomian > > <zhenghaom...@huawei.com>; slitkows.i...@gmail.com; pce-...@ietf.org; > > pce-cha...@ietf.org; d...@dhruvdhody.com; Roman Danyliw <r...@cert.org>; > > auth48archive@rfc-editor.org > > Subject: RE: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9753 > > <draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-optional-13> for your review > > > > Hi Sandy, > > > > Sorry for my delay. > > I think the current text is good to me. > > > > Regarding the new text you suggested below, I think I can understand it > > without problem. And the current text in the link is also ok to me. > > Therefore, you can choose the better one from your point of view. > > > > Based the NEW text, we suggest this update: > > > >> The scope of how P and I flags are applied is defined in [RFC5440] and is > >> unchanged by this document. Therefore, these flags can only be applied to > >> an entire PCEP > >> object; they cannot be applied at the granularity of optional TLVs > >> encoded in the PCEP Object. > > > > For the notes in the XML file(which are not shown in the text/website), I > > think they can be removed. > > > > Thanks, > > Cheng > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sandy Ginoza <sgin...@staff.rfc-editor.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 11:42 AM > > To: Cheng Li <c...@huawei.com> > > Cc: RFC Editor <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org>; Zhenghaomian > > <zhenghaom...@huawei.com>; slitkows.i...@gmail.com; pce-...@ietf.org; > > pce-cha...@ietf.org; d...@dhruvdhody.com; Roman Danyliw <r...@cert.org>; > > auth48archive@rfc-editor.org > > Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9753 > > <draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-optional-13> for your review > > > > Hi Cheng, > > > > We have updated the document as described below except for the item you’ve > > asked the authors to review. The updated files are available here: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.xml > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.txt > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.pdf > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753.html > > > > AUTH48 diffs: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-auth48diff.html > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by > > side) > > > > Comprehensive files: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-diff.html > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9753-rfcdiff.html (side by side) > > > > > > Please review our suggested update for the new text below and let us know > > if you approve. > > > >> OLD: > >> Further, it should be noted that similar to > >> handling of P and I flags in [RFC5440], the flag applies to full PCEP > >> Object and could not be applied to the granularity of an optional > >> TLVs encoded in the PCEP Object. > >> > >> > >> NEW: > >> > >> This document does not modify the scope that P and I flags can be applied > >> to, as defined in [RFC5440]. Therefore, these flags will only be applied > >> to an entire PCEP > >> object, and cannot be applied to the granularity of an optional TLVs > >> encoded in the PCEP Object. > > > > > > Based the NEW text, we suggest this update: > > > >> The scope of how P and I flags are applied is defined in [RFC5440] and is > >> unchanged by this document. Therefore, these flags can only be applied to > >> an entire PCEP > >> object; they cannot be applied at the granularity of optional TLVs > >> encoded in the PCEP Object. > > > > > > > > > > Also, we see this text commented out in the XML file. Please consider > > whether any action is needed; otherwise the notes will be removed. > > > > <!--Similarly in the case of an association group > > <xref target="RFC8697"/> such as Disjoint Association <xref > > > > target="RFC8800"/>, the PCE may need to completely relax the > > > > disjointness constraint in order to provide a path to all the LSPs > > > > that are part of the association.—> > > > > <!--By default, the PCE SHOULD set the P > > flag, unless a > > > > local configuration or local policy indicates that some > > constraints > > (corresponding PCEP objects) can be marked as optional and could > > be > > ignored by the PCC.--> > > > > Thank you, > > RFC Editor/sg > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 12, 2025, at 2:07 AM, Cheng Li <c.l=40huawei....@dmarc.ietf.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi RFC Editors, > >> > >> Please see my reply inline. Thanks for your work! > >> > >> Specially, authors, please review this modification proposal. > >> > >> > >> OLD: > >> Further, it should be noted that similar to > >> handling of P and I flags in [RFC5440], the flag applies to full PCEP > >> Object and could not be applied to the granularity of an optional > >> TLVs encoded in the PCEP Object. > >> > >> > >> NEW: > >> > >> This document does not modify the scope that P and I flags can be applied > >> to, as defined in [RFC5440]. Therefore, these flags will only be applied > >> to an entire PCEP > >> object, and cannot be applied to the granularity of an optional TLVs > >> encoded in the PCEP Object. > >> > >> Authors, please review this change. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Cheng > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org> > >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2025 7:24 AM > >> To: Cheng Li <c...@huawei.com>; Zhenghaomian <zhenghaom...@huawei.com>; > >> slitkows.i...@gmail.com > >> Cc: rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org; pce-...@ietf.org; pce-cha...@ietf.org; > >> d...@dhruvdhody.com; r...@cert.org; auth48archive@rfc-editor.org > >> Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9753 > >> <draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-optional-13> for your review > >> > >> Authors, > >> > >> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as necessary) > >> the following questions, which are also in the XML file. > >> > >> 1) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear > >> in the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. --> > >> [Cheng] PCEP, Stateful, optional processing > >> > >> 2) <!-- [rfced] We are having trouble parsing this sentence. Please > >> consider whether the suggested text conveys the intended meaning. > >> > >> Original: > >> [RFC5440] describes the handling of unknown objects as per the > >> setting of the P flag for the PCReq message. > >> > >> Perhaps: > >> Setting the P flag in the PCReq message to handle unknown objects > >> is as described in Section 7.2 of [RFC5440]. > >> --> > >> [Cheng]OK > >> > >> > >> 3) <!-- [rfced] Does marking something as optional allow the PCEP peer to > >> ignore the object? If yes, may we update the text as follows? > >> > >> Original: > >> In these cases, it would be useful to mark > >> the objects as 'optional' and they could be ignored by the PCEP peer. > >> > >> Perhaps: > >> In these cases, it would be useful to mark > >> the objects as 'optional' so they could be ignored by the PCEP peer. > >> --> > >> [Cheng]OK > >> > >> 4) <!-- [rfced] We are having trouble parsing this text. It refers to the > >> P and I flags, but then switches to "the flag". Does "the flag" refer to > >> the R flag, which has not yet been introduced? Please review and let us > >> know how the text may be clarified. > >> > >> Original (prior sentence included for context): > >> Thus, this document specifies how the already existing P and I flags > >> in the PCEP common object header could be used during the stateful > >> PCEP message exchange. Further, it should be noted that similar to > >> handling of P and I flags in [RFC5440], the flag applies to full PCEP > >> Object and could not be applied to the granularity of an optional > >> TLVs encoded in the PCEP Object. > >> > >> Perhaps: > >> Further, it should be noted that, similar to > >> handling of P and I flags in [RFC5440], the flag indicating that the > >> constraint has been relaxed applies to the full PCEP object and cannot > >> be applied at the granularity of an optional TLV encoded in the PCEP > >> object. > >> --> > >> [Cheng]I do not think 'the flag' is correct here. It should not be the R > >> flag, but the 'P and I flags'. After discussing with Dhruv, we confirm > >> that we should use the flags(P and I flags). Please see the new text below. > >> > >> OLD: > >> Further, it should be noted that similar to > >> handling of P and I flags in [RFC5440], the flag applies to full PCEP > >> Object and could not be applied to the granularity of an optional > >> TLVs encoded in the PCEP Object. > >> > >> > >> NEW: > >> > >> This document does not modify the scope that P and I flags can be applied > >> to, as defined in [RFC5440]. Therefore, these flags will only be applied > >> to an entire PCEP > >> object, and cannot be applied to the granularity of an optional TLVs > >> encoded in the PCEP Object. > >> > >> Authors, please review this change. > >> > >> > >> > >> 5) <!-- [rfced] PCUpd seems to be exapnded slightly differently in two > >> places. Based on what we see in RFC 8231 (see below), we don't believe > >> the terms are interchangeable. Please review and let us know how/if these > >> should be made consistent? Perhaps Section 3.3.2 can just refer to PCUpd > >> and PCInitiate since those terms are introduced earlier in the document? > >> > >> Section 1: Path Computation Update Request (PCUpd) > >> This document defines a new flag, the R > >> (RELAX) flag in STATEFUL-PCE-CAPABILITY TLV in the PCEP common object > >> header to indicate a PCE speaker supporting P and I flags processing, > >> and also specifies how the P and I flags could be used in the > >> stateful PCE model to identify optional objects in the Path > >> Computation State Report (PCRpt) [RFC8231], the Path Computation > >> Update Request (PCUpd) [RFC8231], and the LSP Initiate Request > >> (PCInitiate) [RFC8281] message. > >> > >> Section 3.3.2: LSP Update Request (PCUpd) > >> The I flag in the PCRpt message [RFC8231] allows a PCC to indicate to > >> a PCE whether or not an optional object was processed in response to > >> an LSP Update Request (PCUpd) or LSP Initiate Request (PCInitiate). > >> > >> > >> From RFC 8231: > >> Path Computation Update Request (PCUpd) > >> > >> Section 6.2 of RFC 8231: > >> A PCUpd message can carry more than one LSP > >> Update Request. > >> --> > >> [Cheng]It takes few minutes to understand the problem. Ha, we can change > >> LSP update request to PCUpd message, and LSP Initiate request to PCinit > >> message. The purpose is not to emphasize the LSP, but the message. > >> > >> > >> 6) <!-- [rfced] We are having trouble parsing this sentence. Please > >> consider whether the suggested text is more clear. Otherwise, please > >> clarify. > >> > >> Original: > >> This document updates the handling of unknown objects in the stateful > >> PCEP messages as per the setting of the P flag in the common object > >> header in a similar way as [RFC5440], i.e. if a PCEP speaker does not > >> understand an object with the P flag set or understands the object > >> but decides to ignore the object, the entire stateful PCEP message > >> MUST be rejected and the PCE MUST send a PCErr message with Error- > >> Type="Unknown Object" or "Not supported Object" [RFC5440]. > >> > >> Perahps: > >> This document updates the handling of unknown objects in the stateful > >> PCEP messages by setting the P flag in the common object > >> header in a similar way as described in [RFC5440]. That is, if a > >> PCEP speaker does not understand an object with the P flag set, or > >> if the PCEP speaker understands the object > >> but decides to ignore the object, the entire stateful PCEP message > >> MUST be rejected, and the PCE MUST send a PCErr message with Error- > >> Type="Unknown Object" or "Not supported object" [RFC5440]. > >> --> > >> > >> [Cheng]ok, thanks! Will avoid to use 'as per' next time, and try to > >> make the subject of a sentence clear 😊 > >> > >> > >> 7) <!-- [rfced] Note that we have lowercased "object" when it appears as > >> "PCEP object" to align with use in the referenced RFCs (e.g., 9753, 5440). > >> > >> Please let us know if any updates are needed. > >> --> > >> [Cheng]please follow the best practice, I am ok with lowercase or > >> uppercase. Thanks. > >> > >> > >> 8) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of the > >> online Style Guide > >> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language> > >> and let us know if any changes are needed. Updates of this nature > >> typically result in more precise language, which is helpful for readers. > >> > >> Note that our script did not flag any words in particular, but this > >> should still be reviewed as a best practice. > >> --> > >> [Cheng]no change needed, thanks! > >> > >> I have review the diff file, the modification is ok to me. > >> > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> RFC Editor > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mar 9, 2025, at 11:16 PM, rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org wrote: > >> > >> *****IMPORTANT***** > >> > >> Updated 2025/03/09 > >> > >> RFC Author(s): > >> -------------- > >> > >> Instructions for Completing AUTH48 > >> > >> Your document has now entered AUTH48. 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