Hi Jeffrey et al
Jeffrey thanks for input, I have some minor comments Jeffrey, could you please
read inline
@Stig Venaas (svenaas) what do you think about the comments please.
Thanks
Hooman
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzh...@juniper.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2025 10:44 PM
To: Rebecca VanRheenen <rvanrhee...@staff.rfc-editor.org>; Gunter van de Velde
(Nokia) <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com>; Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)
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I somehow cannot find any traces of this email thread in my Outlook hence the
late response. Thanks to Gunter for forwarding me this email.
A few nits:
In certain scenarios, it is desirable to establish multicast states
between two adjacent Layer 3 routers without forming a PIM
neighborship.
We should remove the "adjacent layer 3" wording from the above. The very use
case that led to this document involves routers *indirectly* connected by a
BIER domain (which are composed of layer 3 routers) - we want to signal PIM
states among non-adjacent routers over this PLI.
HB> Ok, so lets go with
In certain scenarios, it is desirable to establish multicast states
between two routers without forming a PIM neighborship.
For the following:
Since a PLI does not process PIM Hello messages, it also does not
support the Join Attribute option in PIM Hello as specified in
[RFC5384]. As such, PIM Light is unaware of its neighbor's
capability to process Join Attributes and SHOULD NOT process a Join
message containing a Join Attribute.
"process" is more on the receiving side. I think we're only talking about
"sending" here, so should change the second "process" to "send".
HB> I think this is send and process Jeffrey, lets say if PLI gets a hello
message it should not process it and perhaps raise a log correct? I agree with
sending. I just want to make sure the reader understands that PLI doesn't
process Hellos. How about
"Since a PLI does not 'support' PIM Hello messages, it also does not
support the Join Attribute option in PIM Hello as specified in
[RFC5384]. As such, PIM Light is unaware of its neighbor's
capability to process Join Attributes and SHOULD NOT process a Join
message containing a Join Attribute."
There are two cases in which a PLI can send and process a Join
Attribute:
Remove "and process"?
HB> how about
"For a PLI to support Join Attributes there can be two cases:"
HB> @Stig Venaas (svenaas) what do you think?
* The Join Attribute must be configured with an appropriate Join
Attribute type that the PLI is capable of processing as per the
"PIM Join Attribute Types" registry [IANA-PIM-Attr-Types].
The above bullet does not read well. Perhaps change it to the following?
* The neighbors on the PLI are known, by means outside of the scope
of this document, to be capable of processing the attribute.
HB> I don't think we need change this as this is needed to stress that join
Attribute option is supported when it is configured explicitly. We can change
it to the following for better read
"The Join Attribute type as per "PIM Join Attribute Types" registry
[IANA-PIM-Attr-Types] must be explicitly configured against the PLI to enable
the support of Join Attribute for PIM Light."
The following:
... If a router
supports PIM Light, arriving Join/Prune messages MUST be processed
only when a PLI is enabled on an interface; otherwise, they MUST be
dropped.
Could be changed to the following:
Join/Prune messages not received from a PIM neighbor MUST be
dropped unless PLI is enabled on the interface.
HB> OK
Other than that, I approve the changes.
Thanks.
Jeffrey
Juniper Business Use Only
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Hi Gunter and authors,
Gunter - Thanks for the response. We have marked your approval on the AUTH48
status page for this document (see
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).
All - Once Zhaohui Zhang approves the document, we can move forward in the
publication process.
Best regards,
RFC Editor/rv
> On Feb 19, 2025, at 10:03 PM, Gunter van de Velde (Nokia)
> <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes, approved.
>
> My apologies for the delayed response. It got lost in a mountain of emails
> and I accidently classified it overly fast.
>
> G/
>
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>
>> On Feb 12, 2025, at 4:17 PM, Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)
>> <manka...@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>> I approve the change . Looks good to me .
>> From: Rebecca VanRheenen <rvanrhee...@staff.rfc-editor.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 10:28:14 PM
>> To: Hooman Bidgoli (Nokia) <hooman.bidg...@nokia.com>; Mankamana
>> Mishra (mankamis) <manka...@cisco.com>; Stig Venaas (svenaas)
>> <sven...@cisco.com>; s...@cisco.com <s...@cisco.com>;
>> zzh...@juniper.com <zzh...@juniper.com>;
>> michael.mcbr...@futurewei.com <michael.mcbr...@futurewei.com>; Gunter
>> van de Velde (Nokia) <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com>;
>> pim-...@ietf.org <pim-...@ietf.org>
>> Cc: RFC Editor <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org>; pim-cha...@ietf.org
>> <pim-cha...@ietf.org>; zhang.zh...@zte.com.cn <zhang.zh...@zte.com.cn>;
>> auth48archive@rfc-editor.org <auth48archive@rfc-editor.org>
>> Subject: [AD] Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9739 <draft-ietf-pim-light-11> for your
>> review Hi Hooman, other authors, and AD*,
>>
>> Hooman - Thanks for the quick reply. All of our questions have been
>> addressed.
>>
>> All authors - Please review the document carefully to ensure satisfaction as
>> we do not make changes once it has been published as an RFC. Contact us with
>> any further updates or with your approval of the document in its current
>> form. We will await approvals from each author prior to moving forward in
>> the publication process.
>>
>> *Gunter, as AD, please review and approve the following changes, which are
>> above editorial. These are best viewed in this diff file:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9739-auth48diff.html__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!BjYVaQwQLx4ecMZmEcDP0kZ2c2vcDHb47lBkMdMNzLaN094vUuLYUPoCUDRqUEXJkxxl4hAV4mw0nNKSIPpAKlkGodJHBqhy$
>> .
>>
>> - Change from “must” to “MUST” in last sentence of first paragraph in
>> Section 3.5 (corresponds with “MUST” in previous sentence)
>> - Change in last sentence of second paragraph in Section 3.5
>> - Change in second paragraph in Section 5 (author explanation: I
>> think we should remove "PIM-SSM and" here. PIM-SM Join/Prune messages
>> are also used both for SSM and not SSM and the security implications
>> are the same.)
>>
>> — FILES (please refresh) —
>>
>> Updated XML file:
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc973
>> 9.xml__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!BjYVaQwQLx4ecMZmEcDP0kZ2c2vcDHb47lBkMdMNzLaN094
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>> Updated output files:
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>> Diff file showing changes made during AUTH48:
>>
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>> Diff files showing all changes:
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>> dMNzLaN094vUuLYUPoCUDRqUEXJkxxl4hAV4mw0nNKSIPpAKlkGocKQwNI7$ (shows
>> changes where text is moved or deleted)
>>
>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9739
>> __;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!BjYVaQwQLx4ecMZmEcDP0kZ2c2vcDHb47lBkMdMNzLaN094vUuLY
>> UPoCUDRqUEXJkxxl4hAV4mw0nNKSIPpAKlkGob2FS0M2$
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> RFC Editor/rv
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2025, at 12:59 PM, Hooman Bidgoli (Nokia)
>>> <hooman.bidg...@nokia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> Inline
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Hooman
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rebecca VanRheenen <rvanrhee...@staff.rfc-editor.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 1:29 PM
>>> To: Hooman Bidgoli (Nokia) <hooman.bidg...@nokia.com>; Mankamana
>>> Mishra (mankamis) <mankamis=40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org>; Stig Venaas
>>> (svenaas) <sven...@cisco.com>; s...@cisco.com; zzh...@juniper.com;
>>> michael.mcbr...@futurewei.com
>>> Cc: RFC Editor <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org>; pim-...@ietf.org;
>>> pim-cha...@ietf.org; zhang.zh...@zte.com.cn; Gunter van de Velde
>>> (Nokia) <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com>;
>>> auth48archive@rfc-editor.org; Rebecca VanRheenen
>>> <rvanrhee...@staff.rfc-editor.org>
>>> Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9739 <draft-ietf-pim-light-11> for
>>> your review
>>>
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>>>
>>> Hi Hooman, Stig, and Mankamana,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your replies; we have updated the document accordingly (see
>>> files below). We have two followup questions:
>>>
>>> A) Please confirm “network” is okay in these sentences. We ask because we
>>> see "BIER domain" (rather than “BIER network”) elsewhere in the document.
>>>
>>> Current:
>>> ...such as Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) networks that
>>> connect two or more PIM domains.
>>> ...
>>> An example is a Bit Index Explicit
>>> Replication (BIER) [RFC8279] network connecting multiple PIM
>>> domains, where PIM Join/Prune messages are tunneled via BIER as
>>> specified in [BIER-PIM].
>>>
>>> HB> I think in this paragraph it is fine to say BIER network connecting
>>> multiple PIM domains.
>>>
>>> B) The following was missed in question #21. Should the capitalization of
>>> this term be consistent? If so, let us know which form to use.
>>>
>>> DR Election vs. DR election
>>> HB> lol this is a though one 😊 looking at RFC 7761 it is "DR election" 90%
>>> of time but one location it says "DR Election"
>>> HB> lets go with "DR election" please
>>>
>>> — FILES (please refresh) —
>>>
>>> HB> sorry what do you mean by refresh? Is there action here for the
>>> authors? Or we should just review it.
>>> Updated XML file:
>>>
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>>>
>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc973
>>> 9__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!BjYVaQwQLx4ecMZmEcDP0kZ2c2vcDHb47lBkMdMNzLaN094vUu
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>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> RFC Editor/rv
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 11, 2025, at 5:00 PM, Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)
>>>> <mankamis=40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Changes looks good to me. From: Stig Venaas (svenaas)
>>>> <sven...@cisco.com>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 at 4:15 PM
>>>> To: Hooman Bidgoli (Nokia) <hooman.bidg...@nokia.com>,
>>>> rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org>,
>>>> s...@cisco.com <s...@cisco.com>, Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)
>>>> <manka...@cisco.com>, zzh...@juniper.com <zzh...@juniper.com>,
>>>> michael.mcbr...@futurewei.com <michael.mcbr...@futurewei.com>
>>>> Cc: pim-...@ietf.org <pim-...@ietf.org>, pim-cha...@ietf.org
>>>> <pim-cha...@ietf.org>, zhang.zh...@zte.com.cn
>>>> <zhang.zh...@zte.com.cn>, Gunter van de Velde (Nokia)
>>>> <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com>, auth48archive@rfc-editor.org
>>>> <auth48archive@rfc-editor.org>
>>>> Subject: RE: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9739 <draft-ietf-pim-light-11> for
>>>> your review Hi RFC Editor and Hooman
>>>>
>>>> Please see my comments inline.
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Hooman Bidgoli (Nokia) <hooman.bidg...@nokia.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 3:10 PM
>>>>> To: rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org; s...@cisco.com; Mankamana Mishra
>>>>> (mankamis) <manka...@cisco.com>; zzh...@juniper.com;
>>>>> michael.mcbr...@futurewei.com
>>>>> Cc: pim-...@ietf.org; pim-cha...@ietf.org; zhang.zh...@zte.com.cn;
>>>>> Gunter van de Velde (Nokia) <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com>;
>>>>> auth48archive@rfc- editor.org
>>>>> Subject: RE: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9739 <draft-ietf-pim-light-11> for
>>>>> your review
>>>>> Importance: High
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>
>>>>> My comments Inline, thanks for detail suggestions!
>>>>> Co-authors any comments on my suggestions pls?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do I need to submit a version 12 of draft with the changes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Hooman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2025 11:45 PM
>>>>> To: Hooman Bidgoli (Nokia) <hooman.bidg...@nokia.com>;
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>>>>> pim-cha...@ietf.org; zhang.zh...@zte.com.cn; Gunter van de Velde
>>>>> (Nokia) <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com>;
>>>>> auth48archive@rfc-editor.org
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>>>>> your review
>>>>>
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>>>>> Authors,
>>>>>
>>>>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as
>>>>> necessary) the following questions, which are also in the XML file.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that
>>>>> appear in the
>>>>> title) for use on
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>>>>> NEt6yMaO-gk!BjYVaQwQLx4ecMZmEcDP0kZ2c2vcDHb47lBkMdMNzLaN094vUuLYUP
>>>>> oCUDRqUEXJkxxl4hAV4mw0nNKSIPpAKlkGoXt4g21m$ . -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) <!-- [rfced] Abstract
>>>>>
>>>>> a) We updated the text starting with "which does not..." as
>>>>> follows to improve readability; please review and let us know any
>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> This document specifies Protocol Independent Multicast Light (PIM
>>>>> Light) and PIM Light Interface (PLI) which does not need PIM
>>>>> Hello message to accept PIM Join/Prune messages. PLI can signal
>>>>> multicast states over networks that can not support full PIM
>>>>> neighbor discovery, as an example BIER networks that are
>>>>> connecting two or more PIM domains.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> This document specifies Protocol Independent Multicast Light (PIM
>>>>> Light) and the PIM Light Interface (PLI). A PLI does not need a
>>>>> PIM Hello message to accept PIM Join/Prune messages, and it can
>>>>> signal multicast states over networks that cannot support full
>>>>> PIM neighbor discovery, such as Bit Index Explicit Replication
>>>>> (BIER) networks that connect two or more PIM domains.
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> ok with this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> b) Should "protocol and procedures" be updated to just "procedures"
>>>>> as in the Introduction?
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> This document outlines the PIM
>>>>> Light protocol and procedures to ensure loop-free multicast
>>>>> traffic between two or more PIM Light routers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> This document outlines PIM
>>>>> Light procedures to ensure loop-free multicast traffic between
>>>>> two or more PIM Light routers.
>>>>> HB> my vote is to keep it as protocol and procedures. The doc
>>>>> HB> talks about
>>>>> both.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) <!-- [rfced] This is a sentence fragment. How may we update to
>>>>> make a complete sentence? Also, please confirm that "network" is
>>>>> intended here; elsewhere in the document, we see "BIER domain"
>>>>> rather than "BIER network".
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> For example, in a Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER)
>>>>> [RFC8279] networks connecting multiple PIM domains, where PIM
>>>>> Join/Prune messages are tunneled via BIER as specified in
>>>>> [draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling].
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> An example is a Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) [RFC8279]
>>>>> network connecting multiple PIM domains, where PIM Join/Prune
>>>>> messages are tunneled via BIER as specified in [BIER-PIM].
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> This text looks good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or:
>>>>> For example, in a Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER)
>>>>> [RFC8279] network connecting multiple PIM domains, PIM Join/Prune
>>>>> messages are tunneled via BIER as specified in
>>>>> [draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling].
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) <!-- [rfced] Please clarify the text starting with "to
>>>>> ensure...". Also, is "reviver" correct? Or is "receiver" or something
>>>>> else intended?
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> As an example
>>>>> the implementation should ensure that DR election is done on
>>>>> upstream Redundant PIM routers that are at the edge of the PIM
>>>>> Light Domain to ensure a single Designated Router to forward the
>>>>> PIM Join message from reviver to the Source.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> As an example,
>>>>> the implementation should ensure that DR election is done on
>>>>> upstream redundant PIM routers that are at the edge of the PIM
>>>>> Light domain to ensure that a single DR forwards the PIM Join
>>>>> message from the receiver to the source.
>>>>> HB> looks good.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We reordered the list in Section 3.1 by type
>>>>> number as only one was out of order.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 6) <!-- [rfced] Is the text starting with "from the..." needed here?
>>>>> Other entries in the list do not have such notes, and in the IANA
>>>>> registry (linked to in the text introducing this list), RFC 7761
>>>>> is listed as a reference for type 3. See
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.iana.org*2Fassignments*2Fpim-parameters*2F&data=05*7C02*7Cgunter.van_de_velde*40nokia.com*7Ce04cb0dd87754afdbba808dd51f40aa4*7C5d4717519675428d917b70f44f9630b0*7C0*7C0*7C638756831209717459*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=zJrRMvh77erna*2B*2FvEuiqwFc*2FmI8hmx8yus5AVfxnpFw*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!NEt6yMaO-gk!BjYVaQwQLx4ecMZmEcDP0kZ2c2vcDHb47lBkMdMNzLaN094vUuLYUPoCUDRqUEXJkxxl4hAV4mw0nNKSIPpAKlkGoQwYW7S0$
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> 1. type 3 (Join/Prune) from the ALL-PIM-ROUTERS message types listed
>>>>> in [RFC7761].
>>>>>
>>>>> Current:
>>>>> * type 3 (Join/Prune) (Note that this type is from the ALL-PIM-
>>>>> ROUTERS message types listed in [RFC7761].)
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> * type 3 (Join/Prune)
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> I agree I am not sure why we are saying "from the
>>>>> HB> ALL-PIM-ROUTERS" as
>>>>> that is a multicast address.
>>>>> HB> I am ok with type 3 (Join/Prune). Unless there is a counter thought.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 7) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We updated "13" to "13.0" to match the
>>>>> registry at
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.iana.org*2Fassignments*2Fpim-parameters*2F&data=05*7C02*7Cgunter.van_de_velde*40nokia.com*7Ce04cb0dd87754afdbba808dd51f40aa4*7C5d4717519675428d917b70f44f9630b0*7C0*7C0*7C638756831209752667*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=Vd3nxOSp9AkXlq14*2Ff*2B48VxeIkxFVeINF6MnC95IGEU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!NEt6yMaO-gk!BjYVaQwQLx4ecMZmEcDP0kZ2c2vcDHb47lBkMdMNzLaN094vUuLYUPoCUDRqUEXJkxxl4hAV4mw0nNKSIPpAKlkGoSDbHT5w$
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> type 13 (PIM Packed Null-Register)
>>>>>
>>>>> Updated:
>>>>> type 13.0 (PIM Packed Null-Register)
>>>>> HB> ok
>>>>> -->
>>>>
>>>> This really must be 13.0 but it still says 13 in the new version and diffs
>>>> provided.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 8) <!-- [rfced] Is "unicast destination IP" correct here, or
>>>>> should it be "unicast destination IP addresses" (with "addresses")?
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> 7. Any future PIM message types that use unicast destination IP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> * Any future PIM message types that use unicast destination IP
>>>>> addresses.
>>>>> HB> ok with this suggestion.
>>>>> -->
>>>>
>>>> A given message will have only a single destination, so it seems a bit odd
>>>> to me to use plural here. Maybe it can says "Any future PIM message types
>>>> where the destination is a unicast IP address"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 9) <!-- [rfced] Will readers know what both instances of "it"
>>>>> refer to in the text "it SHOULD NOT process a join message containing it"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> As such, PIM Light is unaware of its neighbor's capability to
>>>>> process join attributes and it SHOULD NOT process a join message
>>>>> containing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> As such, PIM Light is unaware of its neighbor's capability to
>>>>> process join attributes and SHOULD NOT process a Join message
>>>>> containing a join attribute.
>>>>> HB> ok with suggestion
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 10) <!-- [rfced] We note that the sentence below in Section 3.2.2
>>>>> uses "PIM networks" but the figure uses "PIM domain". Are any updates
>>>>> needed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> For instance, in a BIER domain connecting two PIM networks, a PLI
>>>>> can be used between BIER edge routers solely for multicast state
>>>>> communication and transmit only PIM Join/Prune messages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> For instance, in a BIER domain connecting two PIM domains, a PLI
>>>>> can be used between BIER edge routers solely for multicast state
>>>>> communication and transmit only PIM Join/Prune messages.
>>>>> HB> ok with suggestions
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 11) <!-- [rfced] Please clarify "An example DR election could be DR
>>>>> election".
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> An example DR election could be DR election between router D and
>>>>> F in above figure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> For example, DR election could be between router D and F in
>>>>> above figure.
>>>>> HB> ok with suggestion
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 12) <!-- [rfced] In Sections 3.2.2 and 3.4, we recommend including
>>>>> text to introduce figure.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Section 3.2.2, perhaps the second paragraph can be moved before
>>>>> the figure and first sentence of that paragraph updated in one of
>>>>> the following ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> For instance, in a BIER domain connecting two PIM networks, a PLI
>>>>> can be used between BIER edge routers solely for multicast state
>>>>> communication and transmit only PIM Join/Prune messages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps (add "as in the figure below"):
>>>>> For instance, in a BIER domain connecting two PIM networks as in
>>>>> the figure below, a PLI can be used between BIER edge routers
>>>>> solely for multicast state communication and transmit only PIM
>>>>> Join/Prune messages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or (use two sentences):
>>>>> For instance, the figure below depicts a BIER domain connecting
>>>>> two PIM networks. A PLI can be used between BIER edge routers
>>>>> solely for multicast state communication and transmit only PIM
>>>>> Join/Prune messages.
>>>>> HB> I can see how it is better to have both paragraphs after each
>>>>> HB> other
>>>>> followed by the figure.
>>>>> HB> I suggest:
>>>>> HB> For instance, in a BIER domain connecting two PIM domains
>>>>> HB> as
>>>>> in the figure below, a PLI can
>>>>> be used between BIER edge routers solely for multicast state
>>>>> communication and transmit only PIM Join/Prune messages.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Section 3.4, perhaps the last paragraph can be moved before the
>>>>> figure and updated as follows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> In another example, where the PLI is configured automatically
>>>>> between the BIER Edge Routers (BER), when the downstream BIER
>>>>> Edge Router
>>>>> (DBER) is no longer reachable on the upstream BIER Edge Router
>>>>> (UBER), the UBER which is also a PIM Light Router can prune the
>>>>> <S,G> advertised toward the source on the PIM domain to stop the
>>>>> transmission of the multicast stream.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> In another example, the PLI is configured automatically between
>>>>> the BIER Edge Routers (BERs) as in the figure below. When the
>>>>> downstream BIER Edge Router
>>>>> (DBER) is no longer reachable on the upstream BIER Edge Router
>>>>> (UBER), the UBER (which is also a PIM Light router) can prune the
>>>>> <S,G> advertised toward the source on the PIM domain to stop the
>>>>> transmission of the multicast stream.
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> following the previous example ok with this suggestion.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 13) <!-- [rfced] May we move the text "to prevent multicast stream
>>>>> duplication" as follows to improve readability?
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> If there
>>>>> are redundant PIM routers at the edge of the BIER domain, to
>>>>> prevent multicast stream duplication, they MUST establish PIM
>>>>> adjacency as per [RFC7761] to ensure DR election at the edge of BIER
>>>>> domain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> If there
>>>>> are redundant PIM routers at the edge of the BIER domain, they
>>>>> MUST establish PIM adjacency as per [RFC7761] to prevent
>>>>> multicast stream duplication and to ensure DR election at the edge of
>>>>> the BIER domain.
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> ok with suggestion.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 14) <!-- [rfced] We updated this sentence as follows; please
>>>>> review and let us know any concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> If a router
>>>>> supports PIM Light, only when PLI is enabled on an interface,
>>>>> arriving Join/Prune messages MUST be processed, otherwise they
>>>>> MUST be dropped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Updated:
>>>>> If a router supports PIM Light, arriving Join/Prune messages MUST
>>>>> be processed only when a PLI is enabled on an interface;
>>>>> otherwise, they MUST be dropped.
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> Ok
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 15) <!-- [rfced] This sentence does not parse. We updated as
>>>>> follows. Let us know any concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> While on some logical interfaces PLI maybe enabled automatically
>>>>> or via an underlying mechanism, as an example the logical
>>>>> interface connecting two or more BIER edge routers in a BIER
>>>>> subdomain [draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling].
>>>>>
>>>>> Updated:
>>>>> PLI may be enabled automatically or via an underlying mechanism
>>>>> on some logical interfaces (for example, the logical interface
>>>>> connecting two or more BIER edge routers in a BIER subdomain [BIER-PIM]).
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> I suggest the following
>>>>>
>>>>> In some cases, PKI maybe enabled automatically via an underlying
>>>>> mechanisms on some logical interface. For example, in a BIER
>>>>> domain a logical interface can connect two or more BIER edge
>>>>> routers as per
>>>>> [draft-ietf-bier- pim-signaling].
>>>>> -->
>>>>
>>>> I think this should be:
>>>> In some cases, PLI maybe enabled automatically via an underlying
>>>> mechanism on a logical interface. For example, in a BIER domain, a
>>>> logical interface can connect two or more BIER edge routers as per
>>>> [draft-ietf-bier- pim-signaling].
>>>>
>>>>> 16) <!-- [rfced] We confirmed that port 8471 is correct in this
>>>>> sentence per the registry at
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.iana.org*2Fassignments*2Fservice-names-port-numbers&data=05*7C02*7Cgunter.van_de_velde*40nokia.com*7Ce04cb0dd87754afdbba808dd51f40aa4*7C5d4717519675428d917b70f44f9630b0*7C0*7C0*7C638756831209768118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=HdnEtAxw8FKGE8jp7n3jOnb*2F6c1bjkaNA3qlfDEu9qc*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!NEt6yMaO-gk!BjYVaQwQLx4ecMZmEcDP0kZ2c2vcDHb47lBkMdMNzLaN094vUuLYUPoCUDRqUEXJkxxl4hAV4mw0nNKSIPpAKlkGoXd_yJVO$
>>>>> .
>>>>> In the registry, we see that port 8471 is also for PORT with SCTP
>>>>> as the transport protocol. This sentence just mentions TCP, though
>>>>> SCTP is mentioned in the next sentence. Are any updates needed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> For TCP, PIM over reliable transport (PORT) uses port 8471 which
>>>>> is assigned by IANA.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 17) <!-- [rfced] The first sentence below uses "MUST", but the
>>>>> second uses "must"
>>>>> (although it says "the same is true"). Please review and let us
>>>>> know if any updates are needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> [RFC6559] mentions that when a
>>>>> router is configured to use PIM over TCP on a given interface, it
>>>>> MUST include the PIM-over-TCP-Capable Hello Option in its Hello
>>>>> messages for that interface. The same is true for SCTP and the
>>>>> router must include PIM-over-SCTP-Capable Hello Option in its
>>>>> Hello message on that interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> [RFC6559] mentions that when a
>>>>> router is configured to use PIM over TCP on a given interface, it
>>>>> MUST include the PIM-over-TCP-Capable Hello Option in its Hello
>>>>> messages for that interface. The same is true for SCTP; the
>>>>> router MUST include the PIM-over-SCTP-Capable Hello Option in its
>>>>> Hello message on that interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> here is a new suggestion for 16 and 17
>>>>> [RFC6559] defines a reliable transport mechanism called PIM over
>>>>> reliable transport (PORT) for PIM transmission of Join/Prune
>>>>> messages, using either TCP or SCTP as transport protocol. Both
>>>>> TCP and SCTP use destination port number of 8471.
>>>>> SCTP is explained in [RFC9260], and it is used as a second option
>>>>> for PORT. [RFC6559] mentions that when a router is configured to
>>>>> use PIM over TCP on a given interface, it MUST include the
>>>>> PIM-over-TCP-Capable Hello Option in its Hello messages for that
>>>>> interface. The same is true for SCTP and the router MUST include
>>>>> PIM-over-SCTP-Capable Hello Option in its Hello message on that
>>>>> interface.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 18) <!-- [rfced] Will readers understand "Connection ID IP address
>>>>> comparison"?
>>>>> What is being compared?
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> When the router is using SCTP, the Connection ID IP address
>>>>> comparison need not be done since the SCTP can handle call
>>>>> collision.
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> here is suggestion for better read
>>>>>
>>>>> These Hello options contain a Connection ID which is an IPv4 or
>>>>> IPv6 address used to establish the SCTP or TCP connection. For
>>>>> PORT using TCP, the connection ID is used for determining which
>>>>> peer is doing an active transport open to the neighbor and which
>>>>> peer is doing passive transport open, as per section 4 of
>>>>> [RFC6559. When the router is using SCTP, the Connection ID is not
>>>>> used to determine the active and passive peer since the SCTP
>>>>> protocol can handle call collision.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 19) <!-- [rfced] This sentence in Section 3.5 explains that a
>>>>> Connection ID is an
>>>>> IPv4 or IPv6 address used to establish the SCTP or TCP connection:
>>>>>
>>>>> Original
>>>>> These Hello options contain a Connection ID which is an IPv4 or
>>>>> IPv6 address used to establish the SCTP or TCP connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sentence below appears in the next paragraph. Should the text
>>>>> starting with "Connection ID IPv4 or IPv6 addresses..." be updated
>>>>> for consistency with the previous text?
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> PIM Light lacks Hello messages, the PLI can be configured with
>>>>> the Connection ID IPv4 or IPv6 addresses used to establish the
>>>>> SCTP or TCP connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> Because PIM Light lacks Hello messages, the PLI can be configured
>>>>> with the Connection ID (i.e., the IPv4 or IPv6 address used to
>>>>> establish the SCTP or TCP connection).
>>>>> HB> ok with this option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or:
>>>>> Because PIM Light lacks Hello messages, the PLI can be configured
>>>>> with the Connection ID.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 20) <!-- [rfced] Should "Source-Specific and Sparse Mode
>>>>> Join/Prune messages" here be updated to "PIM-SSM and PIM-SM Join/Prune
>>>>> messages"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Original:
>>>>> Furthermore, because PIM Light can be used for signaling Source-
>>>>> Specific and Sparse Mode Join/Prune messages, the security
>>>>> considerations outlined in [RFC7761] and [RFC4607] SHOULD be
>>>>> considered where appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>> Furthermore, because PIM Light can be used for signaling PIM-SSM
>>>>> and PIM-SM Join/Prune messages, the security considerations
>>>>> outlined in [RFC7761] and [RFC4607] SHOULD be considered where
>>>>> appropriate.
>>>>> HB> ok with this
>>>>
>>>> I think we should remove "PIM-SSM and" here. PIM-SM Join/Prune messages
>>>> are also used both for SSM and not SSM and the security implications are
>>>> the same. Hence, I think it should just say:
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, because PIM Light can be used for signaling PIM-SM
>>>> Join/Prune messages, the security considerations outlined in [RFC7761] and
>>>> [RFC4607] SHOULD be considered where appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Hooman/authors, do you see any specific implications to SSM? I don't see
>>>> any, but if you do, I suggest adding that in a separate sentence.
>>>>
>>>> That is my last comment. I'm fine with all the suggested changes and
>>>> Hooman's comments otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stig
>>>>
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 21) <!-- [rfced] Terminology
>>>>>
>>>>> a) These terms are used inconsistently throughout the text. Should
>>>>> these be uniform? If so, please let us know which form is preferred.
>>>>>
>>>>> DR Election vs. DR election
>>>>> <S,G> vs. (S,G)
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> thanks! They should be (S,G) every where.
>>>>>
>>>>> b) We also note inconsistencies in the terms listed below. We
>>>>> chose the form on the right. Please let us know any objections.
>>>>>
>>>>> PIM Light Router vs. PIM Light router PIM Light Domain vs. PIM
>>>>> Light domain connection ID vs Connection ID Source vs. source join
>>>>> message vs. Join message join/prune message vs. Join/Prune message
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> agreed thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> c) Should "join attribute" be capitalized per usage in RFC 5384?
>>>>>
>>>>> HB> yes it should.
>>>>>
>>>>> d) Article usage (e.g., "a" and "the") with "PIM Light Interface" and
>>>>> "PLI"
>>>>> was mixed. We added articles in some instances. Please review for
>>>>> correctness.
>>>>>
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 22) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of
>>>>> the online Style Guide
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>>>>> erved=0 editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language>
>>>>> and let us know if any changes are needed. Updates of this nature
>>>>> typically result in more precise language, which is helpful for readers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that our script did not flag any words in particular, but
>>>>> this should still be reviewed as a best practice.
>>>>> -->
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> RFC Editor/rv
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 10, 2025, at 8:38 PM, rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> *****IMPORTANT*****
>>>>>
>>>>> Updated 2025/02/10
>>>>>
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>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>> RFC9739 (draft-ietf-pim-light-11)
>>>>>
>>>>> Title : Protocol Independent Multicast Light (PIM Light)
>>>>> Author(s) : H. Bidgoli, S. Venaas, M. Mishra, Z. Zhang, M. McBride
>>>>> WG Chair(s) : Stig Venaas, Mike McBride
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>>>>> Area Director(s) : Jim Guichard, John Scudder, Gunter Van de Velde
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