Hi Jim, Thanks for your reply. For clarity, the issues with the original sentence (pasted below) are because it is about a status change (e.g., a potential future change from Proposed Standard to Historic) within the RFC series.
Original: > That means the MNA encapsulation is expected to > provide a more advanced solution, when published as an RFC and it is > agreed that this document will be made Historic at that time. Specifically, the issues are: 1) Unclear when what exactly is "published as an RFC". 2) Stating it is already "agreed" that the current document "will be made Historic". We understand that a separate status change process would need to take place. Please correct us if we've misunderstood. Thank you. RFC Editor/ar > On Feb 7, 2025, at 9:50 AM, James Guichard <james.n.guich...@futurewei.com> > wrote: > > Hi Alice, > > No, I am not okay with this change but more specifically the last sentence. > The introduction of “possibly” is not what was agreed to during review. The > original text for the last sentence should stay as-is. I am okay with the > other changes. > > Jim > > From: Alice Russo <aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org> > Date: Friday, February 7, 2025 at 12:46 PM > To: James Guichard <james.n.guich...@futurewei.com> > Cc: xiao.m...@zte.com.cn <xiao.m...@zte.com.cn>, 程伟强 > <chengweiqi...@chinamobile.com>, > zhoutian...@huawei.com<zhoutian...@huawei.com>, 戴锦友 <d...@fiberhome.com>, > yoav.peleg <yoav.pe...@broadcom.com>, mpls-ads <mpls-...@ietf.org>, > mpls-chairs <mpls-cha...@ietf.org>, Tony Li <tony...@tony.li>, > auth48archive@rfc-ed <auth48archive@rfc-editor.org>, RFC Editor > <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org> > Subject: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9714 > <draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-18> for your review > > Jim, > As AD, please review and let us know if you approve the change in Section 1 > detailed below. > > Thank you. > RFC Editor/ar > > On Feb 6, 2025, at 10:16 AM, Alice Russo <aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org> wrote: > > > Xiao Min, > > > > Thank you for your reply. Please review whether the NEW text (based on your > > reply) is accurate. To view it in context, please see the files listed > > below. > > > > ORIGINAL (the approved I-D): > > Note that in parallel to the work of this document, there is ongoing > > work on MPLS Network Actions (MNA) [RFC9613]. The MPLS performance > > measurement with the Alternate-Marking method can also be achieved by > > MNA encapsulation. In addition, MNA will provide a broader use case > > applicability. That means the MNA encapsulation is expected to > > provide a more advanced solution, when published as an RFC and it is > > agreed that this document will be made Historic at that time. > > > > NEW: > > Note that in parallel to the work of this document, there is ongoing > > work, e.g., [MNA-PM-with-AMM], regarding MPLS Network Actions (MNAs) > > [RFC9613]. The MPLS performance measurement with the Alternate- > > Marking Method can also be achieved by MNA encapsulation. In > > addition, MNA will provide a broader use-case applicability. That > > means the MNA encapsulation is expected to provide a more advanced > > solution. If [MNA-PM-with-AMM] is published as an RFC, the status of > > this RFC will be reviewed and possibly changed to Historic. > > > > Added informative reference > > > > [MNA-PM-with-AMM] > > Cheng, W., Min, X., Gandhi, R., and G. Mirsky, "MNA for > > Performance Measurement with Alternate Marking Method", > > Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-cx-mpls-mna- > > inband-pm-05, 21 October 2024, > > > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-cx-mpls-mna-&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106627206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tSdsdGQ5anvAMRtAqHRm%2FDKqsngQxtKcCB5oY5VHI90%3D&reserved=0 > > inband-pm-05>. > > > > Files available: > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fauthors%2Frfc9714.txt&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106643959%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1jZUO8FzHChMzgO5l%2BNsFdbz6NWs%2BXaJJAJMIYzM3Dc%3D&reserved=0 > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fauthors%2Frfc9714.pdf&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106660025%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XHk%2FGVOQ8li%2BiVauJYV3ZV0nBFJ%2B9rdd3Kkv%2F0LGmLE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fauthors%2Frfc9714.html&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106671512%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vFH%2Bs83hCa3RnRAncKehrzbUd886ofjmPnbOQOqUga4%3D&reserved=0 > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fauthors%2Frfc9714.xml&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106682128%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0%2FrW5SYvAxL2OrQqQeiTjNekjNG3amL7mJYJf4mTmF4%3D&reserved=0 > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fauthors%2Frfc9714-diff.html&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106692492%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PAAwGHaT2jXNOjvX4bXnQ7%2B3If%2BtlKqwncPsu1BtY2I%3D&reserved=0 > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fauthors%2Frfc9714-rfcdiff.html&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106702809%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=d5OxRUHEx0g5U3p7QqIxGXAptOs9Mad9BjkFdckDC7k%3D&reserved=0 > > (side by side) > > > > Diff of only the most recent changes: > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fauthors%2Frfc9714-lastdiff.html&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106713123%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jjh7i7II%2BlFV22tjGlpwD%2BkjXEMFbX0izeQOgDommmY%3D&reserved=0 > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fauthors%2Frfc9714-lastrfcdiff.html&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106723510%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XtWKB%2BCH7JugB%2F5x2Tvkv3rIc00YXguKPL5BKgS0Gas%3D&reserved=0 > > (side by side) > > > > Thank you. > > RFC Editor/ar > > > > > On Feb 6, 2025, at 12:02 AM, xiao.m...@zte.com.cn wrote: > > > > > > Hi Alice, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the questions. > > > > > > Please see inline. > > > > > > Original > > > From: AliceRusso <aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org> > > > To: 程伟强 <chengweiqi...@chinamobile.com>;肖敏10093570;zhoutian...@huawei.com > > > <zhoutian...@huawei.com>;戴锦友<d...@fiberhome.com>;yoav.peleg > > > <yoav.pe...@broadcom.com>; > > > Cc: mpls-ads <mpls-...@ietf.org>;mpls-chairs <mpls-cha...@ietf.org>;Tony > > > Li <tony...@tony.li>;james.n.guichard > > > <james.n.guich...@futurewei.com>;auth48archive@rfc-editor.org > > > <auth48archive@rfc-editor.org>;RFC Editor <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org>; > > > Date: 2025年02月06日 11:13 > > > Subject: question - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9714 > > > <draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-18> for your review > > > Authors, > > > > > > As we prepare your document [1] for publication, we have additional > > > questions regarding this text. > > > > > > Section 1: > > > Note that in parallel to the work of this document, there is ongoing > > > work on MPLS Network Actions (MNAs) [RFC9613]. The MPLS performance > > > measurement with the Alternate-Marking Method can also be achieved by > > > MNA encapsulation. In addition, MNA will provide a broader use-case > > > applicability. That means the MNA encapsulation is expected to > > > provide a more advanced solution. Once published as an RFC, it is > > > agreed that this document will be made Historic. > > > > > > Please clarify this paragraph, specifically: > > > > > > a) Does "ongoing work" refer to draft-ietf-mpls-mna-fwk [2] or RFC 9613? > > > The latter seems odd to refer to as "ongoing work". We note that until > > > version 17 [3], this sentence cited draft-ietf-mpls-mna-fwk rather than > > > RFC 9613 (which was draft-ietf-mpls-mna-requirements): > > > > > > Note that in parallel to the work of this document, there is ongoing > > > work on MPLS Network Actions (MNA) [I-D.ietf-mpls-mna-fwk]. > > > [XM]>>> No. The "ongoing work" refers to MNA encapsulation for MPLS PM > > > with AMM (e.g., draft-cx-mpls-mna-inband-pm) , neither > > > draft-ietf-mpls-mna-fwk nor RFC 9613. Here the reference to RFC 9613 or > > > draft-ietf-mpls-mna-fwk is used to clarify what's MNA. > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Does "Once published as an RFC" refer to the "ongoing work"? Depending > > > on your answer above, perhaps "Once [MNA-FRAMEWORK] is published as an > > > RFC". > > > [XM]>>> Yes. However, as I said above, the "ongoing work" is neither > > > [MNA-FRAMEWORK] nor [MNA-REQUIREMENTS]. > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Regarding "this document will be made Historic", is it accurate that > > > you are assuming there will be a Status Change for the present document > > > (RFC 9714)? If so, then perhaps it's more clear to say "the status of > > > this RFC will be reviewed and possibly changed to Historic"? > > > [XM]>>> Yes. I agree the new text you wrote is more clear. > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Xiao Min > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fauthors%2Frfc9714.txt&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106733846%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5evquWx%2BfiXasUx0LybLh5Kn1gDvrq6dlRQ6EyU3W0U%3D&reserved=0 > > > [and html and pdf] > > > [2] > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-mpls-mna-fwk%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106744244%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PSE9kvPCStEQ2YqFLoLvRl2YENLSosIkFc32yDNOVhk%3D&reserved=0 > > > (in the RFC Editor queue in EDIT state) > > > [3] > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Farchive%2Fid%2Fdraft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-17...txt&data=05%7C02%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C6459170e23a94c0f1aaf08dd479f6492%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C638745472106754665%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wmYA6IrLCiJQpcHTxwGVvPS8MExnvHs9qhYY0Qr4sYg%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > Thank you. > > > RFC Editor/ar > -- auth48archive mailing list -- auth48archive@rfc-editor.org To unsubscribe send an email to auth48archive-le...@rfc-editor.org
