Good observation but I feel that Amith was talking more about the difference in
the music pattern rather than the the way lyrics work around thaalam.
To quote your example:
"Kadhal Rojavae is 1-2 Engae Nee-engae is 3-4
Kanneer Vazhiyuthadi Kannae is 5-6-7-8"
In the above observation, you mentioned that the lyricist tried to fit the
lyrics into the 1-2 then3-4 and then 5-6-7-8.
But you may notice that 1-2 and 3-4 has similar pattern of music but 5-6-7-8
seems like a different pattern altogether. I don't think it's the time of
thaalam which causes the difference. Even if we break the 5-6 and 7-8, they
still sound like a different pattern altogether.
Observe this:
Kadhal Rojave 1-2 ; Engae Nee Engae 3-4;
Kanner vazhiyuthadi 5-6; Kan- nae 7-8;
The pattern of 5-6 and 7-8 still don't coincide with 1-2 and 3-4. That's the
reason why Amith call it 3 line pattern because, the first two lines have
similar tunes and notes but the notes changes slighty when it comes to the 3rd
line.
Coming back to Amit's observation of 3 line pattern, I must admit that due to
my limited knowledge in music, I always assumed that most songs are composed in
the similar manner.
For example Pyar Hua Chupke Se from 1942 A love story has somewhat a similar
pattern with the inclusion of line 4 that is similar to to line 3.
Dil ne kaha chupke se
Yeh kya
hua chupke se
Kyon naye lag rahe hai yeh
dharatii gagan
Main ne puuchha to bolii yeh
pagalii pavan
Chande Tare from Yes Boss
Chaand Taare Tod Laoon
Saari Duniya Par Main Chhaoon
Bas Itna Sa Khwaab Hai
It seems like most MDs have used the "different pattern music" in composing the
first stanza/pallavi. Care to throw more light into this discussion?
Regards,
Gayathri
--- On Thu, 10/22/09, rameshksm <[email protected]> wrote:
From: rameshksm <[email protected]>
Subject: [arr] Re: The 3 Lines Pattern
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 12:58 PM
You are right about it being a musical pattern...but it is
not unique to ARR nor to any one music director...
It is simply the result of "time" or "thaalam" that you are noticing such
three-line patterns.
To put it Mathematically, if the time for a particular song goes 1-2-3-4-5-6-
7-8, the lyricist may write to fit to 1-2 3-4 5-6-7-8 (which give you the
three-line pattern you notice, all with in the first full time) or the lyricist
may see fit to write to 1-2-3-4 5-6-7-8 1-2-3-4-5-6- 7-8, where the three-line
pattern is now spread over twice the time.
For the first type, Kadhal Rojavae is an excellent example.
Kadhal Rojavae is 1-2 Engae Nee-engae is 3-4
Kanneer Vazhiyuthadi Kannae is 5-6-7-8
For the second type, Ilayaraja's excellent composition for Nilavae Vaa from
Mouna Raagam.
Nilaavae Vaa Selladhae Vaa is 1-2-3-4
EnnaLum Un ponvaanam naan is 5-6-7-8
Enai Needhan Pirindhaalum Ninaivaalae Anaithaenae is 1-2-3-4-5-6- 7-8.
Note that 1-2-3-4-5-6- 7-8 are just the times and do not correspond to any
specific note. I am not formally trained in music, but I can decipher patterns
and this is what I noted, so experts please correct any errors and omissions I
may have made.
Ramesh
--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Amith Chandhran <amithchandhran@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> While randomly listening to some AR songs, all of a sudden I discovered
> something. I am calling it 'The 3 Lines Pattern'.
>
> (I personally feel its a musical pattern. Because you find it in almost all
> the languages.)
>
> Let me cite some random examples in different languages.
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> *Example 1: Language Tamil*
>
> kaadhal roajaavae,
> engae? nee engae?
> kanneer vazhiyudhadi kannae!
>
