may be in a decade this will happen! On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You know, a lot of this would be put to rest IF THE MUSIC COMPANIES > WOULD ONLY RELEASE THE BGM SCORES LEGALLY SO THAT MUSIC LOVERS WORLD > OVER CAN ENJOY AWARD WINNING BGM SCORES BY ARR WITHOUT INFRINGING > COPYRIGHT LAWS!!! Like what Aamir did for Taare Zameen Par, why can't > ARR's BGMS be released along with the DVD as a separate CD? ARR is > the master of BGMS! Come on! > > My dream is that someday, someone, somehow, will release all of ARR's > BGMS as a box set package for people to enjoy. Yeah, I know, keep > dreaming....... > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Amith Chandhran" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In my humble opinion, the copyright laws about the recorded work on any > > recordable media are very well defined in the legal system. > > > > Copyright recognizes the exclusive right of a creator to gain the > commercial > > advantage out of his own creation. It is essential to encourage the > artists > > and composers to invest their creative inputs in the original works.* > > > > *Copyright is a bundle of rights which deals with works like: Literary, > > Dramatic, Musical, Artistic, Cinematographic films, and Sound > recordings. A > > musical work means any combination of (instrumental or vocal) melody, > > harmony, singing, or either of them, printed, reduced to writing or > > otherwise graphically produced or reproduced. > > > > Where the musical work is comprising a part of the cinematographic > film, the > > assignees of the copyrights for the cinematographic film will by > default own > > copyrights in the musical work. Please refer to my earlier email on the > > copyright issues here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/message/88353 > > > > The BGMs with which we are concerned as of now, are the part of a > movie, and > > are intended to be heard/seen/enjoyed as a part of movie, and not > otherwise. > > Even if we extract them for our own pleasure, in any form > (voiceless, with > > voice / with or without musical instruments) the copyrights will still > > remain with the original assignee. Since copyright is a bundle of > rights, > > the assignee who has the copyrights for the movie, will essentially > own the > > copyrights in the BGMs as well. (*Remember: "All rights of the DVD > are owned > > by the producer"*) And extracting BGMs will violate the copyright laws. > > > > * * > > Where both a CD and a DVD are copyrighted, the copyright laws will be > > applicable to all the work that they contain. > > > > And unfortunately, the contention > > 'we-are-innocent-because-we-are-die-hard-fans-of-Mr.Rahman' is not > going to > > sustain in any courts in this world. And I am not being sarcastic > here, its > > the fact. > > > > Thanks, > > > > - > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:42 AM, kaissiom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Dear Aravind, > > > > > > Now you feel the dilemma I have been facing for at least a year or > > > two... ever since I heard my BGM on Radio. I have numerous BGMs and > > > other High Quality rips from DVDs that I can't share :( > > > > > > The fact is... we trust our brothers and sisters on this group here. > > > We are all here for the same purpose... to share and celebrate Rahman. > > > And it is with this spirit that we share these rare and generally > > > unavailable bits and pieces. But once we share something in the > > > public space like this group, whatever we share becomes available to > > > the public, who doesn't necessarily have to be a true, devoted, > > > dedicated Rahman fan. > > > > > > You can not imagine the pain I felt when I heard my BGM on the Radio. > > > And I knew it was my BGM because it was edited.. I had edited it. I > > > felt like I had somehow betrayed Rahman... his hard work. That's when > > > I made the conscious decision to stop sharing BGMs.. it was right > > > after RDB bgms. > > > > > > Anyhow... I would definitely like to point out one major thing... > > > namely the difference between a)BGMs and b)Vocals from DVD > > > > > > I'm not aware of the copyright laws about the soundtrack on DVDs, but > > > it would be great if someone(Amith Chandran?) could shed some light on > > > that. But please notice the difference between the above mentioned > > > musical bits from DVD: > > > > > > a)BGM (Background Music) bits: > > > 1. Available commercially: NO.. unless released as a soundtrack like > > > some of the tracks in BOSE. > > > 2. Rights owned by: Producer/Composer, don't know? > > > 3. Violations of copyright laws: Maybe, don't know? > > > > > > b)Vocals (extracted from DVD): > > > 1. Available commercially: YES.. in the form of original CD. We are > > > extracting the music(vocals) from the DVD, but the same exact music is > > > available in the commercial form in original CD. Commercial here > > > implies money can be made from it. And technically it shouldn't > > > matter if you extract vocals from a CD or a DVD... because it's the > > > same song and the same vocals. Therefore, you are tampering with a > > > commercially available product.. which definitely implies violation of > > > copyright laws. > > > 2. Rights owned by: same right-holders as the original CD > > > 3. Violated of copyright: Definitely YES. > > > > > > Therefore, to conclude, we must note the obvious difference between > > > just a BGM(not commercially available) vs. Vocals(Commercially > > > available in form of CD). > > > > > > The copyright laws regarding BGMs are not very clear and may not be > > > very well defined in the legal system.. it may be something like... > > > "All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer"? But we can still > > > argue that BGMs are by themselves not available to the public in > > > commercial form. If there is demand for it then maybe these > > > producers/composers should start making BGMs commercially available... > > > that way we don't have to go through the process of ripping and > > > sharing these BGMS. It could be a market they are overlooking and > > > while they do something about it, we are filling up the void for the > > > die-hard fans and that too for "free". The "free" part is a big deal > > > because nobody is making money from these BGMs and that is what it > > > boils down to.. how much money did the copyright holders lose? > > > > > > On the other hand, copyright laws of Audio CD are very well defined. > > > Either the Record Company owns it(most of the times) or the producer > > > owns it or the composer owns it or they own it partially( Rahman is > > > working on it). > > > I believe full length vocals of any song should not be shared..for the > > > very same reason we do not share full length audio songs from Rahman's > > > CDs. > > > > > > Rahman is an excellent corporate citizen and he is our role model. We > > > should learn from him and follow him in his ideals as true fans. We > > > as a group and as true Rahman fans are against piracy and plagiarism. > > > Not just Rahman's... please buy original CDs and DVDs of all the > > > Artists you like! > > > > > > Make Rahman Proud, > > > Wasim. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com><arrahmanfans% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > Aravind AM <aravind_am@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I have extracted voice only tracks of songs in Taal and Dil-Se... > > > But, now I'm having second thoughts on uploading it to the group. > > > > > > > > After seeing this series of mails on whether or not sharing this > > > mail, I'm now thoroughly confused. On reading kaissiom's mail, I > > > could truly empathise with his argument. Whatever he has mentioned in > > > his mail makes a lot of sense, and he is totally justified! > > > > > > > > Now, I'm torn between the two - joy of sharing and > > > ethics/copyright issues. > > > > > > > > Gopal and Vijay, It would be great if you could give your views on > > > the same!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Aravind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > Download Rahmania show interviews at http://rahmania.4shared.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
