hi karthik.....
i strongly support ur view point and and like what u wrote....have ever since the launch of cd's i n the wrld market felt that it is not only the indian music companies ...but the us and the japan giants that have set the trend in the cd' pricing and thye have taken pple fr a royal ride.....
for the record....the cd manufacturing process involves less jingbang as compared to that of a cassette.....there r no movable parts in the cd ...so lees of mechanics involved and less of raw material needed and lesse skillled labour required......and it is a relatively much less time consuming affair....that kind of explains the dynamics of cd production process ..so that is y a blank cd costs the company around INR 3-4 and a cassette around INR 20 - 30 to manufacture ...which is roughly around 10 times the cost of the cd ....which are made available to the consumers fr RS. 12-15 and Rs. 40 - 100 ( the good ones like Maxell cassettes sell for around Rs. 125....an guys its worth it ...blieve me!!!) respectively .....that is taking into account the added costs to the company like distribution and logistics and duties et al.
So the food for thought here is that if cd is a cheaper medium ..y do these companies sell it for more than the cassette???????
THere is one startling fact that a digital Audio Cassette recorded on the best equipment can give superlative sound if played on a system as costly as a good CD player....even good vinyl LP players can leave the CD standing ....even they can sound much ....much better than a CDbut only the good ones and they cost a bomb !!! .....yes its true guys....the more scientific of u can go check these on the net to be sure!!!!
So the point here is to make an effort to make the music companies here realise that taking the consimer fr a ride is a grossly bad idea.......'coz the really bettr medium is DVD audio and surely worth the price but CD's ...for 6 songs ....Rs. 150 is insane.....and pple like Yashraj amusic dont even bother to put the lyrics ( so the lesser literate of us have to make do with all wrong lyirics posted on fan sites like these without any concrete verification or any proof of their being correct ( psst..) and other value additions like notes from the composer and director ...actors...pictures etc...makin it a very lackluster CD to buy....case in point ....look at the CD of lagaan ....wow.....althogh it was Rs 295 ...bu t yashraj music cant say htta to produce a descen tinlay card it need to hike the price by Rs .100 ...ha!! to me the charm was ove rthe moment i opened it coz i expected Rising to have all the lirics and other things ...whch a relatively
modest film CD like Bose had .....whats this guys....i mean ...u spend 50 bloody crores on the damn movie and what do the pple byuing the CD get....just the songs???.....how can Yashraj music justify this.....its jst taking things for granted i guess.....
So I guess pricing has to be reworked by the companies....which emphasise on sales revenue generation thru volumes ....but guys ...u r no t able to make volumes as the prices r far beyond whatr pple in india can afford or would want to afford.....so i guess they shoul not go on and on about the cd sales and be satisfied with what they have.....i mean they cant bake their cake and eat it too!!!! haha.
I still strongly urge that we as fans should should support BOSS by buying CD's but we all know that those who preach things here in mail's go to the shady neighbouhood place ...go get an MP3 for Rs 20 ..... or simply DL the songs...ifthey can afford it ...although for reasons particularly emotional and less of logic here we urge everyone to buy original CD's ......i buy them coz to be frank here ...i really care a shit for Rs.150....so do many pple out her eearning 5 figure pay packets ....but what about those who pay from their mouth for 10 minutes a day of internt just to check the yahoo group ARR fan mails .....think about it guys !!!! Its true............
So i strongly urge all the music companies to get their head where it is supposed to be ..... and let the thinking come fornm where it is ought to come ....hehe....(* as if they will ever do that !!!!) ...i guess the music industry is going thru tough times and there r tougher times coming ahead with CD prices yet to hit a reasonable price bar....( it all started well with them coming down to as low as Rs.95 with kangalal kaituhu sei ...) so these guys want us that the CD's of rising - as in the quality of material are superior to that os KKS....ha ....what a joke!!!!...
Waht they dont understand is that jsut to earn revenue they price the CD' s abnormally high ( with as much as a 55 % margin !!! for themselves!!!! ) and just beacuse of it they lose revenue earned ...see guys ...its simple ...so to earn more revenue , they have to reduce the prices so as to sell volumes for which they keep cribbing- and if that doesnt happen , they blame the music director -- all for some good for nothing industruy types out there who know zilch of marketing and given a chance , would end up making a million out of two...ha!!!
thats it guys ...and the downloading debate continues!!!!
haha
chill .
jagdeep._)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Karthik wrote:-
"Karthik S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The downloading debate
A few simple questions/ thoughts.
Who gets to lose when we fans download mp3s and not buy the original
CDs/ Tapes? Rahman or the music label?
If the music label loses, will not go to Rahman again? Was it his
mistake in the first place?
Ok, the music industry will be in shambles and labels may pay lesser
to composers/ producers to procure music. Does Rahman get paid lesser
in that case?
Why do music labels force people to buy a CD, that can otherwise
accomodate a lot more, that has only 6 tracks?
What is stopping them from innovating simple things - include BGMs,
comment by the composer, making of the soundtrack-like extras?
When we're moving towards having all our songs in single devices like
iPod etc, why do we buy individual CDs that contain a few tracks, rip
them ourselves and make mp3s?
The lesser said about the quality of cassettes, the better.
I usually download mp3s and buy only cassettes - for two reasons. To
play in my car and to not feel guilty.
The issue here is that music labels have been taking us for a royal
ride all these days. Now, when they bear the brunt, they talk of
artist protection and legal issues. In spite of all the talk of
releasing online versions simultaneously, nothing has materialised
since. Releasing them after a week/ month will not help.
The harsh fact is that 320 KBPS mp3s are available within minutes of
the CD launch. In the bottorrent forums that I usually download from,
I was able to see nearly 700 seeds (people who have downloaded fully
and are uploading) and more than 1500 peers (people who have
downloaded partially and are also uploading at the same time) for
Mangal Pandey on the day it was released - at 4 PM in the evening!
All this mp3 related guilt-talk is sheer humbug. If I have an online
option to buy mp3s legitimately, I'd not be frequenting torrent
forums. iTunes has proven this beyond doubt in the US. The same
tracks available in iTunes for 99 cents is available in many other
torrents and P2Ps like soulseek/ Kazaa/ eMule, for free! And still
iTunes succeeds. And how?
Its about consumer's choice and making available what is in demand.
And not force outdated distribution methods on them. Yes, our labels
may be slow in embracing technology but the later they enter, the
more they lose. The 6000 strong group need not only think of chatting
with our demi-god or leading film personalities to know nuggets of
trivia about the man. We could very well prove a point, if need be.
It could be unconvetional - like the Japanese shoe-factory strike,
where they worked during strikes, but produced shoes only for the
left foot. How about urging people to buy only cassettes and not CDs.
The tape to CD path took a phenomenally long time to enter India -
again, by choice from the music labels. Chances are, the CD to
digital formats might not take so much time, partly 'cos it'd be
forced down the music label's throat, by the people to whom it was
intended.
Karthik
Subject: The downloading debate
A few simple questions/ thoughts.
Who gets to lose when we fans download mp3s and not buy the original
CDs/ Tapes? Rahman or the music label?
If the music label loses, will not go to Rahman again? Was it his
mistake in the first place?
Ok, the music industry will be in shambles and labels may pay lesser
to composers/ producers to procure music. Does Rahman get paid lesser
in that case?
Why do music labels force people to buy a CD, that can otherwise
accomodate a lot more, that has only 6 tracks?
What is stopping them from innovating simple things - include BGMs,
comment by the composer, making of the soundtrack-like extras?
When we're moving towards having all our songs in single devices like
iPod etc, why do we buy individual CDs that contain a few tracks, rip
them ourselves and make mp3s?
The lesser said about the quality of cassettes, the better.
I usually download mp3s and buy only cassettes - for two reasons. To
play in my car and to not feel guilty.
The issue here is that music labels have been taking us for a royal
ride all these days. Now, when they bear the brunt, they talk of
artist protection and legal issues. In spite of all the talk of
releasing online versions simultaneously, nothing has materialised
since. Releasing them after a week/ month will not help.
The harsh fact is that 320 KBPS mp3s are available within minutes of
the CD launch. In the bottorrent forums that I usually download from,
I was able to see nearly 700 seeds (people who have downloaded fully
and are uploading) and more than 1500 peers (people who have
downloaded partially and are also uploading at the same time) for
Mangal Pandey on the day it was released - at 4 PM in the evening!
All this mp3 related guilt-talk is sheer humbug. If I have an online
option to buy mp3s legitimately, I'd not be frequenting torrent
forums. iTunes has proven this beyond doubt in the US. The same
tracks available in iTunes for 99 cents is available in many other
torrents and P2Ps like soulseek/ Kazaa/ eMule, for free! And still
iTunes succeeds. And how?
Its about consumer's choice and making available what is in demand.
And not force outdated distribution methods on them. Yes, our labels
may be slow in embracing technology but the later they enter, the
more they lose. The 6000 strong group need not only think of chatting
with our demi-god or leading film personalities to know nuggets of
trivia about the man. We could very well prove a point, if need be.
It could be unconvetional - like the Japanese shoe-factory strike,
where they worked during strikes, but produced shoes only for the
left foot. How about urging people to buy only cassettes and not CDs.
The tape to CD path took a phenomenally long time to enter India -
again, by choice from the music labels. Chances are, the CD to
digital formats might not take so much time, partly 'cos it'd be
forced down the music label's throat, by the people to whom it was
intended.
Karthik
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