> On Sep 15, 2021, at 13:33 , [email protected] wrote: > > Is the overall impact of this fee change revenue neutral, or is this a total > increase or decrease??? If an increase or decrease, by how much? > > Also, has anything been done regarding the cost difference per IP address > between those in the smallest brackets, versus the largest brackets. The > last thing I remember is that those in the smallest bracket were paying over > 10x per address versus the largest bracket. Is this still true??
Yes, the general structure remains along the lines of 16x Address space = 2x fee IIRC. Owen > > Albert Erdmann > Network Administrator > Paradise On Line Inc. > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2021, John Curran wrote: > >> Mark - >> In April of this year, we announced a consultation on the matter of >> harmonizing ARIN’s fees and many of the issues you raised were discussed at >> that time on the >> ARIN-consult mailing list - >> https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-April/date.html >> As noted in that discussion, 3621 end-user customers will see their fees >> decrease as a result of change. 4431 end-users (those with larger IP >> address holdings) will >> see their fees increase. After the fee changes, all customers will be >> paying the same fees based on their total IPv4 resources held. >> Regarding ISP/EU fees distribution, note that ARIN’s expected total fees >> paid in 2021 are approximately $21 million – with ISP’s paying the >> overwhelming majority of >> the costs at approximately $17M annually. >> Thanks, >> /John >> John Curran >> President and CEO >> American Registry for Internet Numbers >> On 15 Sep 2021, at 3:21 PM, Mark McDonald <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Mr. Curran, >> >> It’s unfortunate to learn about ARIN’s proposal to increase our rates >> by 650% from one year to the next from your EMail. It would have been nice >> to >> receive this when this measure was being proposed. In looking through >> various member forums, it appears we aren’t alone. While I can appreciate >> your >> desire to standardize rates between End Users and ISP’s, it’s obvious >> that ARIN provides a different set of services for ISP’s as it does End >> Users. For >> us, ARIN stores < 50k of data in a database - similar to a Domain >> Registration from Network Solutions. They’re somehow able to perform these >> services for >> about $9/year. ARIN has historically charged us $300/year for this >> service, and is now raising rates by 650% to $2000.00/year. And for what? >> The IPv4 >> pool is depleted so there is no value in attempting to obtain >> additional IPv4 resources, while IPv6 resources are limitless, and are >> charged accordingly. >> >> For End Users, there are no ongoing SWIP assignments or ongoing actions >> from ARIN that require ARIN’s resources and for those that there are, ARIN >> charges >> for those services (new assignments, transfers, etc). We maintain >> numerous resources with ARIN through a different ISP account for resources >> used for ISP >> services and pay fees (and utilize services) accordingly. >> >> When ARIN, or any organizational body, sends out an email stating rates >> are raising 650%, it makes me question how an organization that could do >> something >> for a a set fee for so long suddenly can’t and needs to implement >> drastic measures to “recoup” these fees. It wreaks of inefficiency as >> ARIN’s number of >> resources managed is going up, not down and with any business, the cost >> to provide services goes down as the number of customers (resources) goes up. >> >> I was trying to look through the ARIN organizational documents and >> recent Annual Reports to see how ARIN’s income is represented (percentage of >> ISP vs >> End-User, RSP vs Non-RSP) as your Email lacks this important >> information, however I was unable to find this. It would be much >> appreciated if you could >> provide it. As a user of ARIN’s services, it would be nice to see >> exactly how much of a rate increase this is (increasing ARIN revenue) vs >> standardizing >> rates, which would re-rate *everybody* (raising some, lowering others) >> so that ARIN’s revenue remained neutral while equally balancing costs to >> provide >> services. >> >> In owning and operating businesses in the IT space, I’ve always viewed >> ARIN as a fair and equitable organization. Until today. Your email lacked >> critical information that would have shown this as a “standardization >> of rates” vs a rate hike on what appears to be all legacy customers. >> Perhaps the >> rates ARIN is charging them isn’t too low, but the rates you’re >> charging ISP’s is too high, or perhaps somewhere in between. >> >> From the Emails I’ve already received from other parties this affects, >> it appears the courts will ultimately decide what is legitimate and what is >> not, >> however I feel this could have all been avoided with better >> communication. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Mark McDonald >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). 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