Exactly, the right to review is a principle in place and if triggered
the resource holder must explain again if he still justify to maintain
those resources.
I don't see a need to report any changes afterwards the resources were
assigned by the RIR, *as long they keep being used according to the
current policies*. If however the RIR call that organization for a
review, they must be able to explain themselves at anytime. This is in
the interest of all.
Now, can IP leasing be a justified need one can give to the RIR in order
to have some IP space allocated ? Could ever an organization go to the
RIR and say: "Please give me more IP space as I am going to use them to
lease to other organizations that have the ability to get them directly
from the RIR" ?
IP leasing isa real mockery to those who effectively build Internet
infrastructure and bring connectivity to people in general and those who
justify for receiving IP allocations. What is the point to pretend it is
Ok to accept it as a 'normal' practice?
If an organization is able to justify and get IP addresses allocated
directly by the RIR, accepting people's leasing practices only force
organization who really justify for those IP addresses to have to pay
more pay more to a middleman that most possible doesn't built any
internet infrastructure if they could just be paying ARIN or any RIR's
administrative fees directly and get those resources directly from there.
Therefore if some organization who received a chunk of addresses in the
past based in a justification they had to build Internet sudden starts
to lease those addresses they should go immediately under a revocation
process as they no longer justify for them. Either they use them for
the proposes they justified or give them back to the RIR so the RIR can
allocate to others who really justify.
Transfer of resources (even if there is a transaction in the background)
is something different and fine in the current scenario as it
facilitates the resources goes to those who really justify for them.
Fernando
Em 01/09/2021 17:35, Chris Woodfield escreveu:
David -
In addition to the RSA language John cited, Section 12 of the NRPM
gives ARIN the right to review an organization’s resource usage at any
time for continued compliance with community-driven policy. I suspect
that these reviews are not common, however. What’s more common, in my
view, is an organization’s request for additional resources, which
must come with justification that currently-held resources are being
used in compliance with policy. I do not believe that these are
checked against the original requests for consistency, however.
I’d be curious if the clause below can be interpreted as giving
organizations a duty to report *any* substantial changes in an
organization’s allocation plans if they diverge from the justification
filed at the time of the request, or only when such changes would have
the effect of putting the organization out of compliance with current
policy. I can see the former interpretation being rather troublesome
for a large number of organizations, given how often business plans
and environments can change over time, as well as adding quite a bit
of (IMO unnecessary) overhead to IP allocation managers.
That said, I can see ARIN being quite justified in reclaiming
resources if the justification documentation filed with the request
had no bearing to the org’s actual plans. I suspect that to be the
unspoken subtext of the current controversy, and I absolutely believe
that ARIN would and should act similarly in such a scenario (which, in
the past, it has).
Regards,,
-Chris
On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:21 PM, John Curran <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
David -
Excellent question. The most important item is for the community to
determine its policy goals in this area, and then based on such what
requirements/duties belong in policy language in Number Resource
Policy Manual (NRPM.)
The ARIN RSA places an explicit duty of “Information and Cooperation”
on number resource holders (see below) that can be used to enforce
community-developed policy in this area, but the communities thoughts
on the appropriate policy really should drive the discussion –
/2.(c) Information and Cooperation. Holder has completed an
application provided by ARIN for one or more Services (the
“Application”). Holder must (i) promptly notify ARIN if any
information provided in the Application changes during the term
of this Agreement, and (ii) make reasonable efforts to promptly,
accurately, and completely provide any information or cooperation
required pursuant to the Service Terms or in response to any
inquiry or request made to Holder by ARIN during the term of this
Agreement. In addition, Holder shall promptly provide ARIN with
complete and accurate information, and cooperation as required by
any Service Terms or that ARIN requests in connection with ARIN’s
provision of any of the Services to Holder. If Holder does not
provide ARIN with such information or cooperation that ARIN
requests, ARIN may take such failure into account in evaluating
Holder’s subsequent requests for transfer, allocation or
assignment of additional number resources, or requests for
changes to any Services. /
Note that material breach of Section 2(c) is one of the events that
provides ARIN clear right of termination for the RSA and subsequent
revocation of the number resources – so let’s be extra careful when
considering any reporting/information duties for placement into NRPM.
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On 1 Sep 2021, at 3:47 PM, David Farmer <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I changed the subject line, as this isn't directly related to the
dispute between AFRINIC and CI, but more some questions arising from
it specifically related to the ARIN registered resources.
----
So, do ARIN resource holders have a duty to report changes in their
use of resources? If they do, where does that duty come from in
policy or contract language? And, what are the relevant changes that
need to be reported?
In my review of these questions;
In the RSA I see where holders are granted, "The right to use the
Included Number Resources within the ARIN database" (RSA section 2.b
bullet 2). However, I don't see any limitation to that use, such as
"originally justified" or any obligation to report a change in such use.
In policy, "An end-user is an organization receiving assignments of
IP addresses exclusively for use in its operational networks." (NRPM
2.6), with an exception for incidental or transient use (last
paragraph, section 2.5).
Maybe to align end-user requirements with the new Registration
Services Agreement we should change that so end-users have to report
any use, other than incidental or transient use, outside their
organization.
And ISP's have requirements to report the use by their customers
that exceed certain levels (NRPM sections 4.2.3.7 and 6.5.5).
So, other than the ISP reporting requirements, I don't see direct
reporting obligations for change in use. Further, I don't see any
guidance to what might be a material change in use that is in need
of reporting, as I'm sure we don't want ARIN Staff tied up with
reports of all possible changes, most of which are probably irrelevant.
Are there reporting requirements I'm missing? Maybe implied or
indirect requirement?
Should something be added to ARIN's policies explicitly stating
requirements for reporting a change in the use of resources?
Thanks
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