Since you have, in the past, repeatedly admonished people, myself included, that ppml is for discussion of matters relating to ARIN policy, is this a general expansion of the list charter going forward, or merely an exception you’re making for this topic?
Owen — simply seeking clarity. > On Aug 27, 2021, at 13:48, Lu Heng <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi John: > > Yes, it’s a matter for something called “community discuss” or “APNIC talk” > in other regions, but I understand PPML are only for polices not community > matters, and have seen people been remind same multiple times. > > And I have sent a request to ARIN ask where is ARIN version of community > discuss list, below is an reply saying ARIN is in process to creating > something similar. > > Hello Lu, > > Sorry to inform you that ARIN does not have a 'general discussion list" at > this time. We are currently in the process of closing the > [email protected] mailing list due to several problems such as it was an > "opt out" list that ARIN had been auto subscribing members to for years. We > are looking into the requirement to stand up a general discussion list in the > ARIN region that would be open to anyone that wishes to opt-in. It would be > great if you could submit your suggestion for what you perceive to be a good > way to do that. You can find all the information for submitting a suggestion > on the arin.net website. > > https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/ > > Thank you for your interest in sharing discussions within the ARIN region. > > Respectfully, > > John Sweeting > Chief Customer Officer > ARIN > > > John Curran <[email protected]>于2021年8月28日 周六上午4:41写道： >> Mr. Lu - >> >> To be clear, the article was posted to ARIN ppml mailing list so that the >> ARIN community is aware of ARIN’s stance on this matter. >> >> It is expected that members of the community may have questions or wish to >> discuss it (yourself included) – hence it is perfectly appropriate for >> anyone to respond to it here on the arin-ppml list. >> >> Best wishes, >> /John >> >> John Curran >> President and CEO >> American Registry for Internet Numbers >> >> >>> On 27 Aug 2021, at 3:44 PM, Lu Heng <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> While I see no relevance to continue this discussion at ARIN PPML as it has >>> no relevance to ARIN policy matters, maybe the AUP committee can make a >>> suggestion as to whether we should we continue discussion here or somewhere >>> else? The detail ARIN requested at that time was Personal identifying >>> Information of our customers that we do not have. I openly said this in one >>> of the ARIN public policy meetings. To best of my memory I stated something >>> alone the line of “If that is what ARIN insist we provide, we will not >>> further respond in the request since we do not process nor do we intend to >>> to collect such information. as I personally think it is immoral to do so. >>> John, do you really think it appropriate to make accusations and innuendos >>> against someone for protecting the personal data of their customers? As for >>> the the question you asked, it is potentially part of ongoing litigation >>> process that we are not able to comment publicly, why don’t you wait for >>> the court to decide just like rest of public but pushing it entirely out of >>> ARIN’s mandate for an answer entirely irrelevant to ARIN’s operation? >>> >>> And just for clarification, while I have a business relationship with Owen, >>> he does not speak for me or cloud innovation, his view is entirely his own >>> and mine are mine. Just like anyone working for any company here on this >>> list. Their views are entirely their own and do not constitute a press >>> release for the corporation they work for. >>> >>> Apologies to the nanog list: while I understand this is not appropriate >>> place to reply address this topic, I believe John’s reply makes it >>> necessary for me to provide at least one reply to clarify, as long as John >>> not future engage in the list for the discussion, I will refrain from >>> further posting in this thread. >>> >>> I’m also pretty sure that since this has nothing to do with ARIN Policy, >>> it’s not appropriate fodder for PPML, either, but I will leave that between >>> John and the ARIN mailing list AUP committee to address. >> >> >> > -- > -- > Kind regards. > Lu > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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