Jo and Steven: As the shepherd for 2014-1 I am having trouble understanding the relevance of arguments about needs assessment to the Out of Region Use proposal. That proposal does not change needs assessment policies.
Here is a link to the latest draft of 2014-1. Do you have any comments specifically about 2014-1? --MM > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:arin-ppml- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Jo Rhett > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:17 AM > To: Steven Ryerse > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-1 Out of Region Use > > On Oct 27, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse@eclipse- > networks.com> wrote: > > If in the spirit of trying to prevent fraud non-fraudulent requests get > rejected, then Arin's mission stops being fulfilled. I think it is important > to make sure the mission is respected first and stopping fraud second > or third or fifth or whatever. We could stop all fraud by stopping all > allocations but of course that makes no sense. I would also point out > that even when fraud happens Arin's Mission is still being fulfilled. > > I completely disagree. There are dozens if not hundreds of people with > non-fraudulent requests who get denied for insufficient justification. > That is ARIN doing their job successfully in my mind. If widespread > fraud occurs and ARIN does not take action, then I feel strongly that > ARIN would not be doing their job. > > > Of course maybe if the needs tests were loosened fraud would be > significantly reduced as there would be no need to submit fraudulent > requests. > > Do you mean that if it were permissible to walk away with someone > else's belongings, then theft would no longer occur? Your statement is > true without making any sense at all. > > > I'm sure an org willing to submit a fraudulent request would tell you > that they do have a need but they may not happen to meet the > current arbitrary (and they are arbitrary) policy. > > I disagree completely. ARIN's role is to satisfy needs-based requests. > Exercising judgement of whether a need is realistic is doing their job. > > The only thing arbitrary here is your desire for there to be no rules at > all. Deeply amusing, but not helpful for realistic policy. > > -- > Jo Rhett > +1 (415) 999-1798 > Skype: jorhett > Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and > internet projects. > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
