David, I am not referencing policy, but the auto-template ARIN sent me during our last resource request explicitly stated no out of region use which forced us to register as RIPE LIR for a single out of country POP.
Thanks, Jeff On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:56 AM, David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: > On 2/10/14, 15:31 , David Huberman wrote: > >>> Your second argument is that the staff already has all the tools it needs >>> to do what is in section X.1. >>> This is not something the staff report said to us in its assessment, >>> however, so I would discount that. >> >> >> You can discount it, but I respectfully say I'm right :) I did do this, >> on the front lines, for 10 years, and Leslie and I developed ALL of the >> fraud protocols. >> >>> You main argument, therefore is that "out-of-region requestors [are] >>> abusing the policies" and "we need to >>> draft text that significantly and materially helps ARIN staff fight fraud >>> from out-of-region requestors." >>> Apparently you think the authorization to engage external entities to >>> help with verification does not >>> address that. Can you explain why? >> >> >> I feel like I have in my first response. X.1 is no-op because nothing >> changes. Staff already can and do conduct >> these types of activities when investigating fraud. They may not have >> "engaged outside entities" to help with >> investigation, but they've always had that purview (that is, with parties >> who would be under attorney-client >> privilege). > > > For the most part I agree x.1 is basically a no-op, if you are assuming that > out of region use has been permitted all along. However, not everyone makes > that assumption. If you make the opposite assumption, that out of region > use has never been permitted, then it absolutely isn't a no-op, its a major > policy shift. > > In my opinion, the reason we can't make any headway on dealing with the > issues staff has reported is the ambiguity of the status of out of region > use has to begin with. Hence the problem statement put forward. > > Their are those that seem to oppose any acknowledgment of out of region use > all together. And there solution to staff's issue is deny all out of region > use. On the other side, we have those refuse to acknowledge there can and > should be any limits on out of region use. Mix in those that think we > shouldn't be doing anything about IPv4 policy at all. Then we have a > quagmire that is worse than the transfer policy issues several years ago. > > Personally, I think we have to clarify out of region use before we can come > to any rational policy discussion that deals with the issue staff has > raised. Again, hence the problem statement put forward. > > > -- > ================================================ > David Farmer Email: [email protected] > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 > ================================================ > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. -- Jeffrey A. Lyon, CISSP-ISSMP Founder, Black Lotus Communications mobile: (757) 304-0668 | gtalk: [email protected] | skype: blacklotus.net _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
