We don't need the staff experience to know that ARIN already has the resources needed to validate request data. It's a business administration problem, not a policy problem anyhow. Im not clear why this is even in the proposal.
Not in favor, remove text re: point 1 below, revisit points 2/3 per below. Best, Marty, (Jackson's@RTC 4:30! ) On Thursday, February 6, 2014, David Huberman <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you, Milton, for bringing this thread up. > > I've reviewed 2014-1 and thought about it carefully. I am against this > proposal. I'll try and organize my thoughts, though they come from a few > different angles. > > Text: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_1.html > > 1) I'm against the specific 2014-1 language because I think it is almost > entirely no-op. > > In general, I want NRPM to be brief, concise, and prescriptive. "You > qualify by doing X. You don't qualify because of Y. You must show A, B, > C." We need less fluffy text in NRPM so that it is a more accessible and > polished Policy document, imho. In this case, only paragraph X.1 is > operational. It formally lays out just a few steps that ARIN already has > available to it. But these aren't the only tools ARIN has to verify > request data, and I'm not convinced that having these specific bullet > points in Policy helps the community or ARIN staff in any meaningful way. > > Put more straight forwardly: ARIN staff already have these mechanisms > available to them, and this policy text will not change the request process > materially. > > 2) The PPML community has reviewed similar proposals twice, in my > recollection. There was a draft limiting out-of-region use discussed in > Philadelphia. The community vocally was against it, and clearly told ARIN > staff to keep doing what they were already doing. There was also a draft > limiting out-of-region use discussed in Phoenix. The community was again > vocally against it, and clearly told the ARIN staff that this isn't a > policy area they wish to discuss. > > 3) At the same time, the staff are continuing to report that there are > significant problems from out-of-region requestors abusing the policies. > If you disagree with the PPML community (and I do - I think this is a > serious issue that cries for Policy changes), then we need to draft text > that significantly and materially helps ARIN staff fight fraud from > out-of-region requestors. > > With regards, > David > > David R Huberman > Microsoft Corporation > Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS) > > From: [email protected] <javascript:;> [mailto: > [email protected] <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller > Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:42 AM > To: ARIN PPML ([email protected] <javascript:;>) > Subject: [arin-ppml] support for 2014-1 (out of region use) > > Draft policy 2014-1 attempts to solve a problem left over from last year. > During 2013 there was a round of policy proposals attempting to tie ARIN > allocations more closely to usage in the region. They failed to gain > consensus because they would have interfered with trans-regional networks > in undesirable ways. Yet, current policy is still ambiguous on the issue of > out of region use of ARIN registered resources. This proposal attempts to > clear up that ambiguity in a way that avoids harmful effects on > transnational or trans-regional network operators. The gist of the idea is > to allow out of region use for organizations eligible for ARIN resources, > but also provide policy authorization for ARIN to charge fees to verify the > identity or usage of applicants outside the region. I think this approach > provides the most flexibility while addressing the only real problems that > have been cited for out of region use (verification issues). > > You can see the proposal in full here: > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_1.html > Appreciate reading your comments about this. > > > Milton L Mueller > Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies > Internet Governance Project > http://internetgovernance.org > > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] <javascript:;>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] <javascript:;> if you experience any issues. >
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