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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of David Huberman
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:32 AM
To: [email protected] List ([email protected])
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2013-5 LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions

Hello,

I do not support this draft policy as written below.  The text avoids the root 
of the problem trying to be solved: the notions of "ISP" and "end-user" are 
anachronisms in today's internetworking world.  In my opinion, there should be 
no such delineations.  Policy should treat networks as just that: networks.

Dan Alexander and I floated some of ideas on PPML last month, in the hopes of 
sparking some good ideas and conversation about how best to begin tearing down 
the ISP v. end-user walls.  If there is community interest in dealing with the 
myriad problems with current policy definitions of ISP and end-user, then I 
urge the community to work towards a NRPM that doesn't have separate classes of 
customers.

With regards,
David
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
Kevin Blumberg <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:51 AM
To: [email protected] List ([email protected])
Subject: [arin-ppml] 2013-5 LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions

The Sheppard's and the author have been working on revising the policy text for 
2013-5 based on feedback at the last PPC in New Orleans.

The primary issue with the existing policy text is that it would change the 
definition for existing end users and ISP's in unintended ways.

A revised text is being suggested and we are looking for feedback from the 
community.  The goal of the new text is to help staff in selecting which 
category a request should fall under. In the case of new technologies it would 
require the requestor to provide information when they are requesting via an 
End User template.

Proposed text:

Retain existing NRPM text.

Add to Section 2:

Any organization which does not clearly fit into one of the above categories 
shall be treated as an LIR/ISP for policy purposes.

Thanks,

Kevin Blumberg






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