> Hi Leo,
>
> The definition of a regulator is an entity that sets and enforces
rules
> on the persons it supervises.
>
> If the RIPE NCC goes further than just providing numbers, and instead
> enforces rules on usage associated with them (note that this doesn't
> even concern the use of the numbers themselves, but rather services
> addressed by them), it will, by definition, be a regulator.
>
> I'm not sure that there will be consensus on wanting the NCC to
become a
> regulator.
>
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>> On November 30, 2023 at 9:36 AM GMT+1 anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
<mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
>> <mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Leo,
>>
>> I don’t see it as a regulator, I see it as one of the functions of a
>> RIR. Not just provide numbers, but also ensure that they are being
>> used fairly and according community agreed policies. Otherwise we
>> could also say that other reasons for recovery are invalid because we
>> become a regulator, right?
>>
>> Each RIR has measured the “level of adoption” as they progressed with
>> the initial verification (and this was presented at least a couple of
>> times in every RIR), so there are slides in each of them, showing the
>> progress. I can try to find them for you in the previous year's
events
>> if you can’t find them. Also my personal experience reporting over
>> 1.500 abuse cases, average per day, shows that I get more
>> “happy-ending” responses from those regions than before and keeps
>> going better and better, which is not the case from RIPE
unfortunately.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jordi
>>
>> @jordipalet
>>
>>>
>>> > El 29 nov 2023, a las 16:09, Leo Vegoda <l...@vegoda.org
<mailto:l...@vegoda.org>
>>> <mailto:l...@vegoda.org <mailto:l...@vegoda.org>>> escribió:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Jordi,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 29, 2023, at 11:29, jordi.palet--- via anti-abuse-wg
>>> <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
<mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I agree that the carrot is better than the stick, but if the
>>> carrot doesn’t work, we need to use the stick.
>>> >>
>>> >> My original proposal was basically enforcing the NCC to reclaim
>>> the resources when there is a persistent violation of resolving
abuse
>>> cases. This can be progressive, such as not allowing to update
>>> objects in the database, etc. No need to go with “a single failure
>>> means you lose your resources”.
>>> >
>>> > How could we do this without the RIPE NCC becoming some kind of
>>> regulator? Or is the proposal to make the RIPE NCC a private sector
>>> regulator?
>>> >
>>> >> As said, this is working in other 2 regions, one more coming
>>> (pending of the AFRINIC board ratification). Why should not work in
>>> this region the same? Also the PoC in ARIN works in a similar way,
>>> and being non-responsive means you get some “members” rights
restricted.
>>> >
>>> > Who has been measuring the reduction is abuse? How tightly is that
>>> drop in abuse linked to this policy action rather than other factors?
>>> >
>>> > Kind regards,
>>> >
>>> > Leo
>>> >
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