That's a matter of economy and market. Google is a USA based company,
although they make business all over the world. We, the other part of
the world, will have to wait the release of some Android based mobile
phone in our countries. Hopefully some day market will be at our side
and as you said, all "developers" will have the same opportunities to
get the hardware we are working for so hard. Nowadays the distribution
chain is not fair for outside USA, but we have to live with this.

Developing with the emulator is the only solution, and yes, a lot of
applications have been developed this way without having any kind of
access to the real hardware, but it's still not the same. You know,
having the device in your hand, in your pocket, ..., it much more
motivating.

So, I highly endorse your complain. We don't want Google to give us a
free phone (well, we want, as everybody but it's not the point of this
discussion), we just want to be able to buy it easily as we where
"anywhere" in the world. That's the point of this kind of devices,
isn't it? Anywhere, anything in your hand ... but not the device you
work for ... It sound a little crazy ...

And, as "arnouf", I have nothing against USA developers or even
companies, but against the chain of distribution and the privileges
some pieces of land has. That apply not only to USA, but also to
Finland and the release of special, early devices from Nokia...

How knows, may be I simply don't understand market complexity ... ;)

On Sep 26, 2:47 pm, arnouf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why do you talk "free device"? I didn't say that...not exactly.
>
> 1. I think that all developers could ORDER (so not free!) an Android
> Phone to test, in US, in europe...in same time. The phone should not
> be locked to one operator.
> 2. I think that it is cool if ADC participant (not all developers, but
> one device by app) could receive on device - so, there it's free...
>
> I hope that my feelings is understood now without ambiguity.
>
> Regards
>
> On Sep 26, 2:31 pm, Tauno T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Did Apple give every app developer a free or otherwise special device?
> > No.
> > Is Symbian giving free (or selling) new devices to developers who
> > can't buy them officially? No.
> > Is Sun giving free (or selling) J2ME enabled devices to developers who
> > can't buy them officialy? No.
> > The same goes for Windows/Brew/BlackBerry etc etc devices.
>
> > Sorry but you can't expect that an OS developer (like Google) is
> > selling (or giving away for free) devices (that a completely unrelated
> > company produces(HTC) and a third unrelated company sells (T-Mobile))
> > to the developers who want to develop on these platforms.
>
> > On Sep 26, 3:14 pm, arnouf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > We could pay something to have a hardware device...not particularly
> > > free!
> > > Just have a device for each developer, even if developer have to pay
> > > (it should be a little bit normal).
>
> > > Regards
>
> > > On Sep 26, 1:21 pm, Timbobsteve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > I am all for Devs getting access to the hardware and I don't think
> > > > that it should be selected regions either, but I also don't think
> > > > Google, HTC and T-Mobile "owe" us free devices. I think if Devs could
> > > > buy subsidized developer hardware before it is released publicly, it
> > > > would greatly increase the quality of software.
>
> > > > Having said that, a lot of software will be OSS and OSS Developers
> > > > have battled without such courtesies for many years.... so hardware is
> > > > a bonus. I know many devs that building software for iPhone, GP2X and
> > > > Xbox without even having access to the device. All testing had to be
> > > > done through a select group of testers before being released.
>
> > > > My 2p
> > > > Timbobsteve

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