On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 6:03 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 3/10/24 19:01, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:45 PM ais523 via agora-discussion <
> > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 15:38 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
> >> wrote:
> >>> If so, and if Kate indeed gained five Ribbons on 2023-08-31, and no
> >>> one else gained as many, then:
> >>> * Only Kate's vote counted on any proposal resolved after 230.
> >>> * Only Kate's support counted on any tabled action resolved after
> >>> 230.
> >>> which should have been enough for eir dictatorship to become
> >>> effective.
> >> What was quorum? If it ever got low enough for that to work, then there
> >> is something badly broken with the quorum rules and we need to revise
> >> them.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ais523
> >>
> > from Rule 2481 (Festival Restrictions) Power 3.1:
> >
> > {
> > While Agora's Festivity is nonzero, the following apply:
> >
> > ....
> >
> > 2. Quorum for Agoran Decisions is equal to half the number of
> > Festive players, rounded up;
> >
> > }
> >
> > Quorum was 1 if Festivity was 5, since Kate would be the only Festive
> > player. Except!
> >
> > Rule 879/40 (Power=3)
> > Quorum
> >
> > Each Agoran decision has a quorum. This is a number set when the
> > decision is created, and thereafter cannot be changed. When a
> > person initiates an Agoran decision, that person SHALL state the
> > quorum of that decision. However, incorrectly stating the quorum
> > of a decision does not invalidate the initiation, nor does it
> > actually change the quorum of the decision.
> >
> > The quorum that an Agoran decision gains as it is created can be
> > defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule
> > defines the quorum of an Agoran decision, the quorum for that
> > decision is equal to 2/3 of the number of voters on the referendum
> > that had been most recently resolved at the time of that
> > decision's initiation, the whole rounded to the nearest integer.
> >
> > As an exception to the previous paragraph, the minimum quorum of
> > an Agoran decision is 2, or 1 if there are fewer than 2 players in
> > the game. If the rules would attempt to set the quorum of an
> > Agoran decision to less than the minimum quorum, it is set to the
> > minimum instead.
> >
> >
> > It seems like because of Rule 879, Rule 2481 attempts to set quorum as 1,
> > but then it is set to 2 instead. This means if festivity was 5, all
> > distributions initiated would fail quorum.
> >
> > --
> > snail
>
>
> A voter is voting strength 0 still counts for quorum purposes.
>
> --
> Janet Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
>
>
Oh. Well that's silly, scammable, and we should probably change it. Players
"voting" but having no effect on the decisions besides quorum doesn't
really seem right. In real agora this could lead to just 1 person having a
say whether a proposal passes or fails.
--
snail
