what is ISTIDDIES? On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:59 PM Alex Smith via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 June 2020, 20:16:09 GMT+1, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > <agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/9/2020 11:21 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > > > I submit the following proposal, "Barrel Rolling", AI-1: > > >> A player CAN win the game, but it will cost em 100 barrels. > > > This is unusual wording for this, and it looks a lot like it would > permit a player to win the game without having 100 barrels. > > > > Using what method? > > The rule states that a player CAN win the game. It doesn't specify a > mechanism. So on a straightforward reading, either players can win the > game, or they can't due to a lack of mechanism, but neither seems to have a > dependency on their barrel quantities. (In particular, the rule states that > players in general CAN win the game, not just players who have 100 barrels.) > > I guess the sentence in question is meant to be a) insufficiently precise > to define a mechanism in its own right, thus preventing players who are > short on barrels winning the game because they have no way short of an > ISIDTID fallacy to attempt to do so; but b) sufficiently precise to trigger > rule 2579, which provides the mechanism. By rule 2152, "CAN" means > "Attempts to perform the described action are successful"; most rules that > want players to be able to perform an action under certain circumstances > state that attempts succeed under only those circumstances, whereas this > rule is apparently defined so that attempting to perform the action is > automatically successful, but limits the performance of the action by > restricting what would count as an attempt. That's an almost unprecedented > situation (and very unintuitive because it relies on the rule being > reinterpreted into something other than the obvious reading by a > higher-powered rule). > > For what it's worth, I think using ISIDTID to try to win the game without > 100 barrels might actually work here. Assuming you think it works (or maybe > even if you don't), an announcement "I win the game, but this costs me 100 > barrels" is clearly an /attempt/ to win the game, and thus by the new rule, > and rule 2152, the attempt succeeds. The announcement didn't actually > trigger anything within the rules directly; but it was evidence of an > attempt to trigger them, and by the rules, it succeeded! > > -- > ais523 >
