That works too.  Much simpler.  Thanks!
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 12:55 PM Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> You can still use ratification, just be specific on date/time, e.g.
>
> The following document is hereby ratified:
> {
>   On 18-Oct-2018, HH:MM:SS [time of Treasuror's Report],
>   G. had 42 coins and D. Margaux had 62 coins.
> }
>
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, D. Margaux wrote:
> > In light of this confusion about the nature of ratification, what if
> > the proposal were instead to say something like this:
> >
> >
> > ////
> >
> > 1. D. Margaux's and G.'s respective coin holdings are changed to
> > whatever amounts they would have had at the time this proposal is
> > ADOPTED, if at the time of the Treasuror’s report of 18 October 2018
> > their coin holdings had been as follows:
> >
> >           ||Coins ||
> > +----------++------+
> > |D. Margaux||   62 ||
> > |G.        ||   42 ||
> > +----------++------+
> >
> > 2. D. Margaux and G. are each awarded the Patent Title "Bank Robber."
> >
> > /////
> > On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 12:00 PM Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This is very weird phrasing to me.  You can backdate ratification, so
> > > > > possibly
> > > > > better phrasing:  "The following list is Ratified as being an 
> > > > > accurate list
> > > > > of
> > > > > coin holdings for 18 Oct 2018".  Maybe no big deal tho.
> > > >
> > > > I think I've quibbled in the past that the ratification rule is written 
> > > > such
> > > > that it _isn't_ clear what happens when specifically constructing 
> > > > documents
> > > > speaking about the past in order to ratify them.
> > > >
> > > > This is because what's a "minimal change" to the game state to make the
> > > > document true is calculated for the time of document publishing, _not_ 
> > > > for the
> > > > time of the referenced date, and so the more game state changes have 
> > > > happened
> > > > between the times, the more the actual effect may be different from 
> > > > what you
> > > > intuitively wanted to happen.
> > >
> > > How is this different than self-ratification - when it self-ratifies a 
> > > week
> > > after publication, it ratifies the past condition as being true as of that
> > > past date, correct?  If not, we're really messed up.
> > >
> >

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