If anyone wants me to wait for their input, please let me know, otherwise I plan to reinstate this decision soonish.
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: D. Margaux <dmargaux...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 6:06 PM Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ Decision re Left||Right To: Agora Business <agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> I self-move to reconsider in light of the below mentioned changes in the underlying Rules, which might or might not by implication preclude wins by proposal. I would very much appreciate any evidence and arguments that anyone has on that topic, especially since I wasn't around for that Rule change and so lack some of the background. On Friday, October 12, 2018, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > Well yes, but if it worked due to explicit Rules text prior to Sept 2016, and > nobody noticed that removing that text broke things, and nobody questioned it, > then no precedent has yet been set with the new rules text, even if we've all > assumed it worked in the mean time. Most of those wins-by-proposal would have > been prior to that. > > On Fri, 12 Oct 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: >> I'm unsure of the legal status of win by proposal, but the Herald's monthly >> report states under the Champions heading that eighteen players, including >> yourself, have done so. Precedent tends to fill in where the rules are >> unclear, so I submit that these proposal wins are effective. >> >> On 10/12/2018 03:05 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> > On Fri, 2018-10-12 at 17:00 -0400, D. Margaux wrote: >> > > CFJ judged TRUE: “At least one person won the game as a result >> > > proposal 8097 taking effect.” >> > >> > Is it even possible to win the game by proposal? I don't see that >> > victory method listed in the ruleset, and rule 2449 implies that a >> > victory has to be caused by a rule. I guess you could make the argument >> > that rule 106 does it. >> > >> > (This is relevant because you'd think the rule for wins by legislation >> > would set out a clarity standard, like there is for rule changes, but >> > there isn't one, so there's no standard to consult.) >> > >> > Given how often people have been coming up with "win right away" >> > proposal minigames, and how many of them have been voted for, backfired >> > and ended up with everyone winning, it'd arguably be for the good of >> > Agora to put limits on wins by proposal (or on large simultaneous wins >> > in general). Wins are rather cheapened when large proportions of the >> > playerbase can get them by accident. >> > >> >> -- >> Trigon >> > -- D. Margaux
