The issue is that I have an obligation to respond to CoEs. On 11/30/2017 09:51 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: > >> please explain to me everything that has occurred here, it makes no >> sense to me and I have no idea how I'd record it in my ADoP records. > > (1) There was some back and forth about whether VJ Rada's votes > counted, since e deregistered after voting. (They did.) > > (2) There's a strange mismatch between Rule 2513 (Campaign Proposals) > and Rule 2034 (Vote Protection and Cutoff for Challenges). > > * The former says that Campaign Proposals don't take effect unless and > until their proposer wins the office (and in this case the proposer > didn't). > * The latter says that resolving a proposal as adopted self-ratifies > as not just that it was adopted, but also that it took effect. > * The absurd result is that when a Campaign Proposal passes but does > not take effect, it is necessary to CoE on this fact to prevent it > from ratifying into effect later. > * Even more absurdly, this can plausibly remain the case even if the > Assessor includes a note that it didn't take effect, because that note > isn't legally a part of the resolution. To do it properly I think e > has to actually formulate it as a CoE (which e might do and respond to > in the same message). > > (3) The Campaign Proposal _was_ adopted, but did not take effect. > However, the CoEs and arguments based on (2) were confusing to the > Assessor as well, so on several occasions e made revisions stating it > wasn't adopted, causing further CoEs. > > Greetings, > Ørjan. > >> On 11/30/2017 4:26 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: >>> Just in case, I doubt that Proposal 7981 was adopted with the CFJ I >>> submitted about whether or not a previous resolution included a >>> self-ratifying claim that 7981 took effect. >>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 15:40 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you, I messed up. I CoE my last resolution, it did not include >>>> campaign proposals: >>>> >>>> >>>> I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7981 below. However, >>>> 7981 >>>> does not take effect. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the >>>> following proposals. For each decision, the options available to >>>> Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a >>>> decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately >>>> before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.] >>>> >>>> ID Author(s) AI Title Pender >>>> Pend >>>> fee >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> 7981* P. Scribonius 1 History by Force OP OP >>>> >>>> | | 7981 | >>>> |--------+------+ >>>> |Alexis | FF | >>>> |Aris | F | >>>> |ATMunn | F | >>>> |Corona | F | >>>> |G. | F | >>>> |o | A | >>>> |PSS | F | >>>> |VJ Rada | F | >>>> |--------+------+ >>>> |F/A | 8/1 | >>>> |AI | 1.0 | >>>> |V | 8 | >>>> |Q | 4 | >>>> |P | T | >>>> >>>> >>>> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>> >>>> >>>> Title: "History by Force" >>>> >>>> Author: PSS >>>> >>>> Co-author(s): >>>> >>>> AI: 1 >>>> >>>> ID: 7981 >>>> >>>> Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the following >>>> text: >>>> >>>> { >>>> >>>> The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an interesting >>>> Agoran >>>> >>>> fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short essay of any >>>> >>>> authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. Any player >>>> >>>> publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran history >>>> SHOULD >>>> >>>> offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly report. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with reasonable >>>> >>>> effort, a summary of all theses written for the purpose of >>>> >>>> receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was awarded. >>>> >>>> The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for reading. >>>> >>>> } >>>> >>>> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>> >>>> >>>> I resolve the election for Herald as electing Corona. In the first >>>> round, >>>> we eliminate PSS with 2 votes, then Corona wins in the second round >>>> with 8 >>>> votes, the ballots were as follows: >>>> >>>> PSS: {PSS, Corona} >>>> >>>> ATMunn: {Corona, PSS} >>>> >>>> Alexis: 2x {Corona, PSS} >>>> >>>> VJ Rada: 5x {VJ Rada, Corona} >>>> >>>> G.: {PSS, Corona} >>>> >>>> Aris: {Corona, PSS} >>>> >>>> o: {Corona, PSS} >>>> >>>> On 11/30/2017 03:34 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: >>>>> It was adopted. It didn't take effect. Those are not the same things. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 15:33 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, because the proposal was not adopted. >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2017, at 11:40 AM, Alexis Hunt <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Only the election resolution? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 06:06 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I accept and I republish the below: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I resolve the election for Herald as electing Corona. In the first >>>>>> round, >>>>>>>> we eliminate PSS with 2 votes, then Corona wins in the second >>>>>>>> round >>>>>> with 8 >>>>>>>> votes, the ballots were as follows: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PSS: {PSS, Corona} >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ATMunn: {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alexis: 2x {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> VJ Rada: 5x {VJ Rada, Corona} >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> G.: {PSS, Corona} >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Aris: {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> o: {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/30/2017 12:04 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Correct, CoE accepted. I republish the below: >>>>>>>>> CoEs, on whichever are the non-superseded versions/revisions >>>>>>>>> of this >>>>>>>>> (I am getting confused about that too): VJ Rada's votes are >>>>>>>>> missing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On a cursory search of the Rules, it seems that the Playerhood of >>>>>>>>> voters is _only_ measured at the initiation of the decision >>>>>>>>> (683 §2). >>>>>>>>> I found nothing voiding their ballots if they subsequently >>>>>>>>> deregister. And the default voting strength 1 is also defined >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> arbitrary entities. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My apologies if I've missed something obvious. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>>>>> Ørjan. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7954-7956 below. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to >>>>>>>>>> adopt the >>>>>>>>>> following proposals. For each decision, the options >>>>>>>>>> available to >>>>>>>>>> Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a >>>>>>>>>> decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately >>>>>>>>>> before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ID Author(s) AI Title Pender >>>>>>>>>> Pend fee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>>>>>>> 7981* P. Scribonius 1 History by Force OP >>>> OP >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> | | 7961 | >>>>>>>>>> |--------+------+ >>>>>>>>>> |Alexis | FF | >>>>>>>>>> |Aris | F | >>>>>>>>>> |ATMunn | F | >>>>>>>>>> |Corona | F | >>>>>>>>>> |G. | F | >>>>>>>>>> |o | A | >>>>>>>>>> |PSS | F | >>>>>>>>>> |--------+------+ >>>>>>>>>> |F/A | 7/1 | >>>>>>>>>> |AI | 1.0 | >>>>>>>>>> |V | 7 | >>>>>>>>>> |Q | 4 | >>>>>>>>>> |P | T | >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Title: "History by Force" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Author: PSS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Co-author(s): >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AI: 1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ID: 7981 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the >>>>>>>>>> following >>>>>> text: >>>>>>>>>> { >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an interesting >>>> Agoran >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short >>>>>>>>>> essay of any >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. Any >>>>>>>>>> player >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran history >>>> SHOULD >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly >>>>>>>>>> report. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with >>>>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> effort, a summary of all theses written for the purpose of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was >>>>>>>>>> awarded. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for >>>>>>>>>> reading. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I resolve the election for Herald as electing Corona. In the >>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>> round, Corona wins with 6 votes, the ballots were as follows: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PSS: {PSS, Corona} >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ATMunn: {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alexis: 2x {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> G.: {PSS, Corona} >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aris: {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> o: {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/29/2017 08:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In a message yesterday called "CFJ and deregistration". I >>>>>>>>>>> think it >>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> before the end of the voting period. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Publius Scribonius >>>>>>>>>>> Scholasticus >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> When did you deregister? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/29/2017 08:50 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> CoE: As a non-player, my votes do not count. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Publius Scribonius >>>>>>>>>>>>> Scholasticus >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7954-7956 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt >>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> following proposals. For each decision, the options >>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (!). If a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately >>>>>>>>>>>>>> before resolving it and after resolving the previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ID Author(s) AI Title >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pender Pend fee >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7981* P. Scribonius 1 History by Force >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OP OP >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | 7961 | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |--------+------+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |Alexis | FF | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |Aris | F | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |ATMunn | F | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |Corona | F | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |G. | F | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |o | A | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |PSS | F | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |VJ Rada | F | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |--------+------+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |F/A | 8/1 | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |AI | 1.0 | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |V | 8 | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |Q | 4 | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |P | T | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Title: "History by Force" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Author: PSS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Co-author(s): >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI: 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ID: 7981 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> following text: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> { >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agoran >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short >>>>>>>>>>>>>> essay of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any player >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran >>>>>>>>>>>>>> history >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHOULD >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly >>>> report. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with >>>> reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort, a summary of all theses written for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was >>>> awarded. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for >>>> reading. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I resolve the election for Herald as electing Corona. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> first round, we eliminate PSS with 2 votes, then Corona >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wins in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the second round with 8 votes, the ballots were as follows: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PSS: {PSS, Corona} >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ATMunn: {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexis: 2x {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VJ Rada: 5x {VJ Rada, Corona} >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> G.: {PSS, Corona} >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aris: {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> o: {Corona, PSS} >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ---- >>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>
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