On 11 July 2013 13:21, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:

>
> I think we're on the same page then, actually.  I mentioned 'punishment'
> as a
> factor, but I didn't mean it to be the only one.  E.g. one looks at the
> whole
> package to see if the effect on speech is particularly meaningful, can
> probably
> come up with some N-prong test etc. that includes strictness, time-limit,
> punishment, etc.
>
> For example, if the contract simply said "I will pay omd for each day
> e doesn't post.  When e posts, e is in violation of the contract, the
> contract is terminated without further penalty, and the pay ceases".
>
> This contract would fit the CFJ.  Does it really do anything to
> 'substantially
> limit' the right?
>

You're right, it doesn't. I was thinking of cases where more explicit
(punishment-like) penalties would be imposed for violation of the agreement.

My overall opinion is that within the boundaries of the contract described
> in
> the CFJ, there are probably contracts that would violate and would not
> violate.
> So this might be UNDETERMINED.  I just don't think R101 is so absolute such
> that even a simple "you can't reveal this scam until Friday or you have to
> pay
> me" would violate it.
>

I think we agree.

I have a dim recollection of having written a judgement that argued that a
consequence has to meet a threshhold test to count as a punishment/penalty.

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