On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, omd wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > Also: fun's fun, but I will also deregister if scshunt persists in these > > changes. Consider that an objection, as well. > > Oh, come on. Although I feel obliged to counter-scam (not that it's > particularly likely to work, since we already elected em dictator...), > Imperial Nomic is one thing Agora *hasn't* tried in the last 5 years > or so.
Eh, I admit it was an initial kneejerk over a Mousetrap, I was coming around to it anyway; you put more eloquently than I could have. Antony indeed. I'll bite and play First Citizen for a bit. Though I'll say that I'm concerned about any of R101; getting rid of fair CFJs is more of a concern than a mousetrap to me, and the single biggest thing that would cause me to leave. > dictatorship scams are sufficiently few and far between that I don't > really remember the details of any; Really? You and I, at least, had the same opportunity last year, but didn't use it out of sportsmanship (I guess). Very ironically, I think scshunt deregistered when I got escalated to 3 last year (apologies if I'm misremembering that, scshunt, but if that was you, it's just a wee bit two-faced). It's interesting. As the Town Fountain leader, I was actually all for playing Dictator back then, but I was talked down by fellow conspirators: "You don't want to repeat LW, do you Goethe?" That time, it was a far less apathetic crowd, and persisting would have lost half the participating, active players. This time, it's apathy that brought us here in the first place, so maybe a shakeup is deserved. Maybe I've bought into that "don't rock Agora" attitude too much over the last few years. Shakeup can be good: at least it might stop the "ho hum, let em have a dictatorship, I can't be bothered to fight and e'll just give emself a Patent Title" apathy. > Actually, this is the closest I've seen to (but still much less > extreme than) Lindrum World. No comparison. What made LW "special" wasn't that it was a dictatorial large-scale rules change. The thing was, Lindrum's moves were UNDECIDABLY illegal, in that half the players were just plain old convinced that Lindrum had cheated and so the game wasn't being played any more. Here, there's no comparison. I haven't seen any serious legal arguments that the scam failed. Incidentally, this is why a "lack of fair and impartial judicial system" is the deal-breaker for me, not mousetrapping. Otherwise, the whole game is just arbitrary and capricious, and Not Fun. As a side note, pre-LW, Nomic World really was paralyzed due to massive problems with the initial ruleset - it was the first online nomic AFAIK and things that worked in Suber just failed there. In that sense, pre-LW was much more like B is. Everyone agreed the rules were broken, and we just couldn't figure out how to start it again. -G.
