Jonatan Kilhamn wrote:
> 2009/9/5 Charles Walker <charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com>:
>> I initiate a CFJ on the following statement, setting its II to 2:
>>
>> * The proposals FRC Recognition and No Vacancy v.2 are both Distributable.
>>
>> Arguments:
>>
>> The relevant text from R2259 (Hand Limits), which is quoted fully in
>> the evidence below, states that:
>>
>> � � �When any other entity is audited X random cards that entity
>> � � �owns are destroyed, where X equals the number of card that
>> � � �entity owns minus eir hand limit (minimum 0)..
>>
>> This means that when I self-audited, 10 Cards in my possession were
>> destroyed, but there is no way to find out exactly which ones were
>> destroyed. Therefore I argue for a judgement of UNDETERMINED.
>>
>> Also, I am disregarding Tiger's messages as they have no authority on
>> the matter (except if they count as a self-ratifying report, in which
>> case this CFJ probably counts as a doubt on the document).
>>
> Gratuitous (for both cases, maybe they should be linked):
> d...@nomic.net has been used in the past when random results were
> needed, though before this situation it has always been a recordkeepor
> with some authority who has said "I destroy these assets, see the dice
> results for proof that they are randomly chosen". In this situation
> there is noone to perform the destructions as it happens platonically,
> so I say that the first message from an accepted source of randomness
> (here d...@nomic.net) should count as determining what happened.

I'm not convinced. Rolling d...@nomic.net is a completely separate
(statistically independent) random event from the card destruction.

If there are several platonic random events "pending", can I randomize
once for all of them? For example, if I have (numbers invented for
didactic purposes) 3 of 10 cards destroyed, can I do this:

rseed = rand()%360 + 1;
first_card  = rseed%10;
second_card =  rseed%9;
third_card  =  rseed%8;

?


I think the caller's arguments are correct.

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