On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 13:48, Kerim Aydin<ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> The issue indeed is CFJ-worthy. I wondered this exact question at the time >> I published the card holder list, and can see arguments both ways, in that >> the "list of the last 5 champions" certainly arbitrarily existed as a >> platonic entity (to which people were added and removed when they won) >> before the card proposal passed. So the question is: does defining that >> list as the "list of succession" add them to the list at the time the list >> was given an official name, or were they part of such a list (and added when >> they won) and we just named the list by proposal? I obviously went for >> the latter. > > To ask it another way, if you asked the question "at what time was I > added to this list of the last 5 persons to have won the game?" the > answer would be when I won. The act of giving said list a name doesn't > add me to the list, although it does give the list a new legal effect. > > (Your counteragrument: "giving the list a legal effect" is better > described as "creating a list and instantanously adding us to it". > My point is not so much that players were added to the list at the adoption of the proposal as that the proposal specifies the list is the last 5 active players to have been awarded Champion, which is different than the MwP list (which whenever a new MwP was added dropped the oldest MwP even if they had been championed again more recently). As a result, coppro is on the List of Succession (even though e wasn't on the MwP list) and therefore became Speaker as of the adoption of the cards proposal.
Hypothetical future: I am championed, then you are championed. Based on this List of Succession: Tiger - July 6 c. - July 6 (and previously on Jun 24) Wooble - July 6 ais523 - July 6 (twice) coppro - June 24 When I am added, coppro drops off and c. becomes the new Speaker. When you are added, ais523 drops off and c. remains Speaker. Under the old MwP system the following would have occurred instead: When I am added coppro drops off and c. becomes the new Speaker. When you are added c. drops off and ais523 becomes Speaker. As I see in your most recent message the assignment of Major Arcana occurs before the change to Speakership, so I agree with you that it is OK. However, I don't believe that Wooble was Speaker, so I think eir attempts to Form a Government failed. BobTHJ
