On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The issue indeed is CFJ-worthy. I wondered this exact question at the time > I published the card holder list, and can see arguments both ways, in that > the "list of the last 5 champions" certainly arbitrarily existed as a > platonic entity (to which people were added and removed when they won) > before the card proposal passed. So the question is: does defining that > list as the "list of succession" add them to the list at the time the list > was given an official name, or were they part of such a list (and added when > they won) and we just named the list by proposal? I obviously went for > the latter.
To ask it another way, if you asked the question "at what time was I added to this list of the last 5 persons to have won the game?" the answer would be when I won. The act of giving said list a name doesn't add me to the list, although it does give the list a new legal effect. (Your counteragrument: "giving the list a legal effect" is better described as "creating a list and instantanously adding us to it". -G.
