On Monday 19 November 2007, Zefram wrote:
> >- However, since Agora cannot literally send a message to the B public
> >forum, it might not be able to join in any case.
>
> R2172 speaks of a player acting on behalf of Agora.  That seems an
> adequate mechanism, presuming that B Nomic allows for factions that
> can't literally send messages themselves.
Examining past consultations, while I had thought the Faction rules 
untested, in fact they have been tested and my point here is irrelevant.
http://b.nomic.net/index.php/Consultations/0029
>
> >                                                  Since this issue
> > depends on close inspection of the B rules, IRRELEVANT is appropriate.
>
> It's not irrelevant on those grounds.  There'd be a case for
> UNDETERMINED there, but you obviously are familiar with the rules in
> question so actually you can determine it perfectly well.

How a foreign nomic interprets our purported (using that word itt) actions 
is not relevant to this game.  Perhaps in this CFJ the mechanism in B 
Nomic for accepting factions is fairly clear-cut, but what if it were a 
hotly debated topic under consultation?  There is no reason to bring it to 
the Agoran courts.

I claim that the precedent from CFJ 1714 applies here, even though a rule 
now does attempt to "dictate such matters to a foreign nomic".

> >- Goethe's argument about Rule 101 (v) is irrelevant, because in B,
> >becoming a Faction, unlike becoming a Player, does not require agreeing
> > to be bound by the Rules.
>
> Interesting distinction.  What do Factions do?

They collect votes.  Players can give allegiance to a Faction to set their 
vote power to 0 for that week, and permanently increase that Faction's 
vote power by 1 (although it decays by 1/4 each week).  Therefore the vote 
power of a Faction can be more than the combined vote powers of those who 
gave allegiance to it.

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