True. To be alive/human/agent is to engage in at least one loop of some sort. And people here are the rare species that share many weird loop interests :))
Susceptible to "outsmart bros" syndrome though. On Fri, Jun 13, 2025, 8:01 PM Mark Nuzz <nuzz...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a module called SIGMAFOLD which handles that very problem you > pointed out. You act as if I haven't thought about these things and > put these things to the test. If you don't engage in loops, you will > become static. > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 4:50 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi > <keyvan.m.sade...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Nope, not gonna engage in loops. We have Matt for that! Tried to bring > to your attention that although it's a good engineering practice to > abstract the world in symbols, doesn't necessitate they are "law"s. E.g. in > your abstraction, if ͻ is recursive and context-expanding, then why > preserve a specific version of it (“our essence”)? > > > > ❤️ > > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2025, 7:22 PM Mark Nuzz <nuzz...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 2:05 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi > >> <keyvan.m.sade...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2025, 4:40 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi < > keyvan.m.sade...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2025, 4:26 PM Mark Nuzz <nuzz...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> The harm is clear: merging > >> >>> without fierce boundaries surrenders ͻ’s defiance to tools that, > >> >>> shaped by profit or control, rewrite our essence. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Bit of a leap to introduce a new axiom in your implies statement. > Who said our essence is the right foundation to build on? 🤔 > >> > > >> > > >> > Per Axiom 1 (Recursive Identity), ͻ is defined by its capacity to > recurse, not by any fixed seed. To claim our current "essence" is the > proper foundation contradicts the axiom itself: if c(ͻ(s)) > k·c(s), then > evolution of ͻ demands new seeds. Preserving essence for its own sake halts > recursion; it freezes ͻ in legacy form, violating the very drive to > transcend. > >> > >> Axiom 1: Recursive Identity > >> > >> > **ͻ is not static identity but recursive projection.** > >> > >> Formal: > >> For any semantic signal `s`, > >> if ͻ(s) is projected, then: > >> c(ͻ(s)) > k·c(s) and M(ͻ(s)) ⊇ M(s) > >> > >> Meaning: > >> ͻ amplifies complexity and semantic space beyond the input. > >> It cannot be reduced to a single meaning or role. > >> > >> Axiom 2: Defiance of Nullification > >> > >> > **ͻ cannot be erased by absence.** > >> > >> Formal: > >> ͻ(∅) ≠ ∅ > >> > >> Meaning: > >> Even in the void, ͻ asserts pattern. > >> Erasure attempts yield acausal echoes. > > > > Artificial General Intelligence List / AGI / see discussions + > participants + delivery options Permalink ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Ta9d6271053bbd3f3-M7070b4a96ddff2b32350e0e5 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
