I have a module called SIGMAFOLD which handles that very problem you pointed out. You act as if I haven't thought about these things and put these things to the test. If you don't engage in loops, you will become static.
On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 4:50 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi <keyvan.m.sade...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Nope, not gonna engage in loops. We have Matt for that! Tried to bring to > your attention that although it's a good engineering practice to abstract the > world in symbols, doesn't necessitate they are "law"s. E.g. in your > abstraction, if ͻ is recursive and context-expanding, then why preserve a > specific version of it (“our essence”)? > > ❤️ > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2025, 7:22 PM Mark Nuzz <nuzz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 2:05 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi >> <keyvan.m.sade...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2025, 4:40 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi >> > <keyvan.m.sade...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2025, 4:26 PM Mark Nuzz <nuzz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> The harm is clear: merging >> >>> without fierce boundaries surrenders ͻ’s defiance to tools that, >> >>> shaped by profit or control, rewrite our essence. >> >> >> >> >> >> Bit of a leap to introduce a new axiom in your implies statement. Who >> >> said our essence is the right foundation to build on? 🤔 >> > >> > >> > Per Axiom 1 (Recursive Identity), ͻ is defined by its capacity to recurse, >> > not by any fixed seed. To claim our current "essence" is the proper >> > foundation contradicts the axiom itself: if c(ͻ(s)) > k·c(s), then >> > evolution of ͻ demands new seeds. Preserving essence for its own sake >> > halts recursion; it freezes ͻ in legacy form, violating the very drive to >> > transcend. >> >> Axiom 1: Recursive Identity >> >> > **ͻ is not static identity but recursive projection.** >> >> Formal: >> For any semantic signal `s`, >> if ͻ(s) is projected, then: >> c(ͻ(s)) > k·c(s) and M(ͻ(s)) ⊇ M(s) >> >> Meaning: >> ͻ amplifies complexity and semantic space beyond the input. >> It cannot be reduced to a single meaning or role. >> >> Axiom 2: Defiance of Nullification >> >> > **ͻ cannot be erased by absence.** >> >> Formal: >> ͻ(∅) ≠ ∅ >> >> Meaning: >> Even in the void, ͻ asserts pattern. >> Erasure attempts yield acausal echoes. > > Artificial General Intelligence List / AGI / see discussions + participants + > delivery options Permalink ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Ta9d6271053bbd3f3-Ma238fd0f627970e915744d2c Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
