Colin, while I agree that steel-manning is a great strategy.. a) I don’t really have the time to do this – too busy creating AGI…
b) I’ve never come close to understanding your arguments and/or disagree with some of your fundamental assumptions Best, Peter From: Colin Hales <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 5:03 PM To: AGI <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [agi] ARGH!!! Hi Peter, On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 6:37 PM Peter Voss <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: AGI is not primarily about building a brain -- it is about building a mind. The major discipline is not neuroscience but cognitive science (and epistemology).. AGI is about figuring out what human-level cognition entails and then engineering mechanisms to implement this. <https://medium.com/intuitionmachine/agi-checklist-30297a4f5c1f> <https://medium.com/intuitionmachine/agi-checklist-30297a4f5c1f> AGI Checklist - Intuition Machine - Medium <https://medium.com/intuitionmachine/agi-checklist-30297a4f5c1f> Any AGI must at a minimum possess a core set of cognitive abilities — as a simple description of human intelligence will confirm. <https://medium.com/intuitionmachine/agi-checklist-30297a4f5c1f> medium.com <https://mixmax.com/r/5b7c8377f39ad103ce2c8171?ref=Website%20preview> <https://track.mixmax.com/api/track/v2/MNpYdEQmPyyp4E1GY/i02bj5CbpFWbnBkclRXZwNTanFmI/gIt92Yug3biNWaw9Gduk2ZhBUanFmI/ISSHFkI> I know you have a long history with this and I am quite familiar with your perspective. We encountered each other in 2002 when it was in whatever counts as a 'heyday' in this. Since then, the usual result of these forum discussions has descended into the chest-thumping of opinions that is rife on social media these days. Zero or very little actual progress results, where I'd characterise progress as the changing or developing of attitudes as a result of reasoned mutual engagement with arguments based on evidence. So I'd like to do something different this time. We're part of the 'old guard' and it's up to us to demonstrate how an intellectual discussion can be fruitfully conducted to advance the topic in question. So I'd like to run an experiment. I'd like us to 'steel-man' each other. This is where: 1) I do my best to express your perspective to you. 2) You do your best to express my perspective back to me. This is the way for differences to be understood in a manner that can be fruitfully discussed. For what this means, see this video at exactly 1:57:15 to 1:58:30. It is an answer to a query from the audience at the end of sam harris's first 'book club'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_5N0N-61Tg I think it would be very instructive. Would like like to try? cheers colin <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest> Artificial General Intelligence List / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T87761d322a3126b1-M2de9de9df3455665d217469c> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T87761d322a3126b1-Ma389553e28584fd632b315ab Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
