Human beings make machines that are more powerful than they are, and
can do things that they cannot do.
Jim Bromer

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 10:36 AM Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 7:46 PM Alan Grimes <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I've read about half a book that I highly recommend to you: "Our Final
> > Invention" by Barrat. The book is kinda stop-and-go, with really
> > engaging factual sections combined with OH-GOD STOP BORING ME!!!
> > Wired-itis biographical sketches. I think that will help you understand
> > what we mean by "superintelligence".
> >
> > Once you have an AGI, it is almost certain that you will be able to find
> > a way to improve it, from there it's off to the races...
>
> I looked up the reviews on Amazon. It's a series of interviews by a
> film maker with AGI experts like Yudkowsky, Kurzweil, Omohundro,
> Vinge, Dyson, Musk, Bostrom, Tegmark, etc. I am somewhat doubtful that
> events are happening as fast as many of them claim. Vinge's 1993
> prediction of a singularity in 2023 (almost certainly between 2005 and
> 2030) looks in doubt, at least to me.
>
> The premise is that if we can make superhuman intelligence, then so
> can it, but faster. We don't know how it will do that because we
> aren't that smart. It will be magic. But I don't buy it. Intelligence
> depends on knowledge and computing power. An agent can't create
> another agent that knows more than the parent, so any improvement must
> come from computing power and increased capacity to learn. Every
> example of exponential self improvement works that way, from a colony
> of bacteria evolving drug resistance, to a company investing its
> profits, to human civilization augmenting itself with language, books,
> and the internet. In any case, computers already know more than us and
> can compute faster than us, and have been for so long that we don't
> even notice.
>
> We have had faster than exponential growth in population, the economy,
> and in global computing power for centuries. The economy is roughly
> proportional to e^(.0001t)(2100-t), which has a singularity at year t
> = 2100, but also a good fit to e^(0.03e^0.01t), which is
> super-exponential but does not have a singularity. There are many
> other rough fits, with or without singularities. Some keep going up
> forever. Some peak and go down. Take your pick. The future is really
> hard to predict.
> 
> I believe that if Moore's Law is to continue, we will need to soon
> switch to computing by moving atoms instead of electrons. Clock speeds
> stalled a decade ago. Transistors are already down to about 100 atoms
> across, which is as small as you can make them and still distinguish P
> from N type silicon. They still use 10^5 times as much energy per
> operation as your brain. That's important as long as the biggest and
> least reliable component in your smart phone is the battery.
> 
> Freitas worked out the physics of self replicating nanotechnology in
> https://foresight.org/nano/Ecophagy.html
> It is quite interesting that artificial life has nearly the same
> limits on size, speed, and power as DNA based life. We can make robots
> as small as bacteria but no smaller. They can replicate in tens of
> minutes and consume energy on a par with living organisms. We might
> marginally do better. We already have solar cells that are a little
> more efficient than chlorophyll. But marginally better is good enough
> to displace DNA based life. The biosphere encodes 10^37 bits of memory
> in DNA and performs 10^33 DNA, RNA, and amino acid transcription
> operations per second. Moore's Law suggests we will get there in the
> 2080's if it continues at the current rate of doubling global
> computing capacity every 1.5 years. That is far from certain, of
> course.
> 
> Nanotechnology does not need to be self replicating, of course.
> Airplanes are safe because they are not birds and can't make baby
> airplanes. Likewise, I think it will be easier to build nanobots in
> factories like we build silicon chips. Nevertheless, the technology of
> putting atoms precisely where we want them will get cheaper. Once it
> is possible for anyone to buy cheap molecular scale 3-D printers,
> people are going to experiment and build these things, just like cheap
> computers enabled people to write viruses and worms.
> 
> --
> -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected]

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