Some do share the GIS data. Others don't. Some honestly don't have the data in a GIS format. Like some local co-op or what have you.
For the rest who won't share they'll probably tell you it's sensitive or proprietary, but my suspicion is they just don't want to make it too easy. Think about it from their perspective: The PSC says they have to allow access to their poles, they're forced to calculate the rent using a cost recovery formula (i.e. No profit on the rent), and they're not allowed to earn anything from the engineering or make-ready. So third party attachers add effort and liability while generating zero revenue. Putting myself in their shoes, I'd do whatever the law required me to do, but I wouldn't hold anyone's hand or do anything to help them more than I have to. If they're particularly UN-helpful the PSC will scold them, but I bet they walk that line as closely as they can. I've wondered if I should inquire to the PSC about the topic of GIS data, but I'm not inclined to cry to mommy unless all other options are exhausted. -Adam ________________________________ From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 1:58 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI Image tools I wonder why the electric company won’t release the information. They don’t have it? They want to charge for it? They regard it as sensitive information, like they don’t want terrorists or competitors to know where the poles are? If you deploy and seek pole attachment rights, they will have to share information, and if not, you might want to find out they are going to be uncooperative sooner rather than later. But maybe some money would grease the skids? From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 12:50 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI Image tools Perhaps the company they use for pole testing would share data. May take some social engineering. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2025, at 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: Neat. I'll check it out! ________________________________ From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com<mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI Image tools Check http://neonetwerx.com/ They have a lot of poles mapped for parts of the country. On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 11:24 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: I am forbidden to disclose the location or the Elco at this time. Rules. I don't make them. What brought the idea to mind is a neighboring county has public GIS data showing utility pole locations, and it was created last year. The description on the data set says it was created using aerial photography. I don't know if that means they had somebody sit there and click a button on every pole, or if they had some kind of tool that did it automatically. There are also other utilities who are fussy about sharing data or who don't have it, as you mentioned. It would just be convenient to have a fallback method for high level planning. It wouldn't have to be perfect. It would just have to be good enough to estimate how much is aerial vs underground, how much is backyard poles vs street side poles, etc. If I do find something, I'll certainly share. I'm a team player. -Adam ________________________________ From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com<mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 11:32 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI Image tools They probably don't have gps on every pole. Where is this located? On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 6:40 PM Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> wrote: I am sure one could be trained to do it. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2025, at 2:45 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: Could one of these fancy AI tools take an aerial image and mark all the utility pole locations? I've got an Elco that won't share GIS data on their poles, but I did find aerial imagery of the whole area with 3" resolution. -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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