They just put a hurt on untraceable funds? Whole bunch of people just got royally pissed.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 7:31 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > This can't be good: > > https://x.com/doge/status/1891614960452522187 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 3:43:26 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DOGE website (www.doge.gov) > > > > Steve, I see your point, but some important distinctions are that whatever > we do at a private company doesn't have to fit within the boundaries of the > US Constitution, and the company's role isn't dictated by a legal statute. > > > Congress is supposed to be in charge of where money is spent. The > president can ask congress for money for one thing or another and use the > veto power as a stick to encourage congress to pass a budget they're > willing to sign. The executive branch also has some latitude on > interpretation, implementation, and enforcement of whatever missions > they've been assigned by the legislature. > > > So it goes back to what I said earlier: Do you trust that they're actually > cutting "waste, fraud, and abuse"? Are they just deciding not to spend > money on things regardless of the law? I'm willing to withhold judgement > until they produce some documentation of the waste, fraud, and abuse. I do > want something with a little more heft than a tweet though. > > > -Adam > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 2:35 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DOGE website (www.doge.gov) > > This isnt new. NPR succeeded here for sure. > Its a weird thing to see people manipulated so easily. > Our industry pays consultants all the time, but apparently cant figure > this one out without NPR telling them what to feel. > I laugh really hard because im currently in a similar role. Im 1099 at a > company, Im advising, I sit in the leadership committee meetings, I direct > their staff. My decisions are pretty much pre-approved with the leadership > committees approval as long as those decisions align with the company > vision....... sounds oddly familiar, that is why I laugh at the NPR flock. > The board of advisors at first was apprehensive, but then they were > professional adults and actually listened to the leadership committee about > what I was doing. Then they were like "oh, thats, thats really common" and > they went about their day. > Its weird that people who live in a hybrid role world cant comprehend that > somebody can be in charge of a team, while not being a formal team lead. > its like everybody decided that now being a boomer is ok, to that I say "OK > Boomer" and roll my eyes > > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 1:11 PM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > So now the administration is claiming Elon is NOT in charge of DOGE.... > > > > https://www.npr.org/2025/02/18/g-s1-49450/elon-musk-doge-leader > > Shall we call this the Keystone Cops administration, or maybe the > Whack-a-mole administration? > > I suspect it is going to get stranger and stranger as this farce goes on. > > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > On 2/16/2025 5:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > Boring Company says they have a MOU for a 17 km tunnel in Dubai. > > https://www.boringcompany.com/dubai > > > > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2025 7:11 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DOGE website ( www.doge.gov ) > > > > I should reply with a picture of Lucy with the football and Charlie > Brown... > > On 2/16/25 3:26 PM, Chuck wrote: > > > > Read an article today about him admitting AD has been a failure but vowing > to get it right on the next iteration. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2025, at 4:57 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > > > > I think at this point, Tesla is a few brain cells for him. He'll show up > for publicity or to smother revolt, but it's on autopilot otherwise for > him. He rips off any talent that shows up, the only way he delivers self > drive is through removing regulation, and legal responsibility. We had a > cybertruck go into a power pole with no real cause, as far as the driver > could tell. The driver took responsibility for not watching over the truck > but that's not really AD. That bar has moved as much as the stock price. > > On 2/16/25 2:29 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > > > and if Tesla was selling as many cars as BYD is right now, the Tesla > numbers would double. BYD is running circles around Tesla right now, and is > killing pretty much every other car maker on the planet. > > If he put as much energy into making Tesla as he did in tearing down all > those whining lefties, Tesla would be a barn burner. > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 2/16/2025 1:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > OK, maybe you’re right. > > > > Hard to tell where his head’s at. What he did at X/Twitter seemed more > like running it into the ground out of spite than trying to make money. And > he’s trying to say Tesla is an AI company not a car company. > > > > His net worth is cited as around $400 billion, but that’s stock valuation, > right? Not liquid. Not like Scrooge McDuck swimming in gold coins. I seem > to remember he had to borrow money to buy Twitter. > > > https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/how-will-elon-musk-pay-twitter-2022-10-07/ > > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2025 3:29 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DOGE website ( www.doge.gov ) > > > > Think he doesn't care? Right now Tesla annual revenue is $97 billion/year, > of which about $17 billion of that is considered profit. SpaceX might be > doing great, but Tesla dwarfs SpaceX by almost an order of magnitude. > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 2/16/2025 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > Not sure he cares. Besides, SpaceX is supposedly his big moneymaker, and > its #1 customer thinks quite highly of him. > > > > I’ve also read that Starlink has started to be a cash cow. > > > https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/02/starlink-profit-growing-rapidly-as-it-faces-a-moment-of-promise-and-peril/ > > > > Other Musk companies like Boring Company and Neuralink don’t seem like > genius business ideas. But something has to finance his missions to Mars. > > > https://people.com/human-interest/elon-musk-once-said-mars-needs-people-after-mark-cuban-asked-how-many-kids-he-wants/ > > It is being claimed he is up to 13 kids now, that would put him ahead of > Nick Cannon. > > https://people.com/parents/all-about-nick-cannon-kids/ > > But I don’t think Elon is the white Nick Cannon, more like the white Kanye > West? > > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2025 2:08 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DOGE website ( www.doge.gov ) > > > > Seems Elon may be backing himself into a hole. People who have been the > biggest buyers of Tesla vehicles are now being repulsed by his antics. > People who have not, and probably will not buy electric vehicles aren't > going to start buying them because, well, they're electric. > > > https://cleantechnica.com/2025/02/15/tesla-troubles-mount-as-musk-goes-full-rogue/ > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 2/15/2025 3:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > https://www.wired.com/story/doge-website-is-just-one-big-x-ad/ > > > > DOGE’s Website Is Just One Big X Ad > > The source code for the new Department of Government Efficiency’s > “official US government website” points to X as its primary source of > authority, while sharing links to the site sends users to x.com . > > > > At a press conference in the Oval Office this week, Elon Musk promised the > actions of his so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) project > would be “maximally transparent,” thanks to information posted to its > website. > > At the time of his comment, the DOGE website was empty . However, when the > site finally came online Thursday morning, it turned out to be little more > than a glorified feed of posts from the official DOGE account on Musk’s own > X platform, raising new questions about Musk’s conflicts of interest in > running DOGE . > > DOGE.gov claims to be an “official website of the United States > government,” but rather than giving detailed breakdowns of the cost savings > and efficiencies Musk claims his project is making, the homepage of the > site just replicated posts from the DOGE account on X. > > A WIRED review of the page’s source code shows that the promotion of > Musk’s own platform went deeper than replicating the posts on the homepage. > The source code shows that the site’s canonical tags direct search engines > to x.com rather than DOGE.gov. > > A canonical tag is a snippet of code that tells search engines what the > authoritative version of a website is. It is typically used by sites with > multiple pages as a search engine optimization tactic, to avoid their > search ranking being diluted. > > In DOGE’s case, however, the code is informing search engines that when > people search for content found on DOGE.gov, they should not show those > pages in search results, but should instead display the posts on X. > > “It is promoting the X account as the main source, with the website > secondary,” Declan Chidlow, a web developer , tells WIRED. “This isn't > usually how things are handled, and it indicates that the X account is > taking priority over the actual website itself.” > > Advertisement > > All the other US government websites WIRED checked used their own homepage > in their canonical tags, including the official White House website. > Additionally, when sharing the DOGE website on mobile devices, the source > code creates a link to the DOGE X account rather than the website itself. > > “It seems that the DOGE website is secondary, and they are prodding people > in the direction of the X account everywhere they can,” Chidlow adds. > > Alongside the homepage feed of X posts, a section of Doge.gov labeled > “Savings” now appears. So far the page is empty except for a single line > that reads: “Receipts coming soon, no later than Valentine's day,” followed > by a heart emoji . > > A section entitled “Workforce” features some bar charts showing how many > people work in each government agency, with the information coming from > data gathered by the Office of Personnel Management in March 2024. > > A disclaimer at the bottom of the page reads: “This is DOGE's effort to > create a comprehensive, government-wide org chart. This is an enormous > effort, and there are likely some errors or omissions. We will continue to > strive for maximum accuracy over time.” > > Another section, entitled “Regulations,” features what DOGE calls the > “Unconstitutionality Index,” which it describes as “the number of agency > rules created by unelected bureaucrats for each law passed by Congress in > 2024.” > > The charts in this section are also based on data previously collected by > US government agencies. Doge.gov also links to a Forbes article from last > month that was written by Clyde Wayne Crews, a member of the Heartland > Institute, a conservative think tank that pushed climate change > disinformation and questioned the links between tobacco and lung cancer . > It is also a major advocate for privatizing government departments . > > The site also features a “Join” page which allows prospective DOGE > employees to apply for roles including “software engineers, InfoSec > engineers, and other technology professionals.” As well as requesting a > Github account and résumé, the form asks visitors to “provide 2-3 bullet > points showcasing exceptional ability.” > > The website does not list a developer, but on Wednesday, web application > security expert Sam Curry outlined in a thread on X how he was able to > identify the developer of the site as DOGE employee Kyle Shutt. > > Curry claims he was able to link a Cloudflare account ID found in the > site’s source code to Shutt, who used the same account when developing > Musk’s America PAC website. > > On Thursday, Drop Site News reported, citing sources within FEMA, that > Shutt had gained access to the agency’s proprietary software controlling > payments. Earlier this week, Business Insider reported that Shutt, who > recently worked at an AI interviewing software company, was listed as one > of 30 people working for DOGE. > > Neither Shutt, DOGE, nor the White House responded to requests for > comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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