I couldn't agree more. I like the analogy of Congress being like a dog pretending it didn't poop on the living room rug, although I think that is probably being unfair to dogs. One of the few good things I could see coming from all of this is if they axed or severely hobbled BEAD. I think it is a terrible, unnecessary program, and the standards for what is underserved / unserved are just insane.
On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 12:01 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > I’m OK with eliminating wasteful spending and trimming the federal budget, > but Congress should stop authorizing future spending, and cancel programs > they no longer support. A lot of this is what used to be called “pork > barrel”. They are happy to see Elon Musk wield the axe rather than be > accountable to voters. Congress is relinquishing its constitutional power > of the purse because they are a bunch of cowards. > > > > It also seems that “fraud” now means “stuff I don’t like”. But actual > fraud like perpetrated by the current mayor of NYC or the former governor > of Illinois is OK. > > The whole claim of waste/fraud/abuse is a cover for eliminating the civil > service and reverting to the spoils system. Not that there isn’t a whole > bunch of wasteful spending and probably some ineffective civil servants, > but that’s not what this is about. > > > > It will be interesting to see if BEAD gets the axe, or just gets > reprioritized as less fiber and more satellite. ACP was probably a case of > doing it the right way, Congress elected not to continue funding it (or was > too busy bloviating and grandstanding). Congress appropriates funds, often > via the pork barrel method, and then acts like they had nothing to do with > it. Gee whiz, who authorized this wasteful and fraudulent program, who > will save us from ourselves? Oh, thank you Elon, the ultimate unelected > bureaucrat, for doing our job so we can continue to avoid accountability. > Congress is like a dog who pretends he didn’t poop on the living room rug. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Friday, February 14, 2025 11:11 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: We have names for certain cars. > > > > Good article. Also, good luck having a reasonable discussion about these > sorts of things with many of the people who support this regime. You're > just overreacting or playing into the leftist conspiracies if you bring up > facts and reason. If people on both sides of the political aisle don't wake > up and pay attention to the things that matter here, we're in for a very > rough ride. I'm not sure what happened to the center, I guess it is easier > for the unscrupulous to divide and conquer. > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2025, 9:33 AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > > Civil servant purge, return to pre-1900 patronage system. > > > https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/doge-civil-servant-purge/681671/ > > > > As far as tariffs, why does nobody point out they are a tax? Basically > like a sales tax or the European VAT except imposed at the wholesale > level. Money goes to Treasury like any other tax. Europeans have all > those social services to counter the fact that VAT is a regressive tax, it > hits working and middle class harder than the rich. > > > > The Atlantic article may be behind a paywall, so here’s the text: > > > > There’s a Term for What Trump and Musk Are Doing > > How regime change happens in America > > By Anne Applebaum <https://www.theatlantic.com/author/anne-applebaum/> > > February 13, 2025, 3:12 PM ET > > > > Despite its name, the Department of Government Efficiency is not, so far, > primarily interested in efficiency. DOGE and its boss, Elon Musk, have > instead focused their activity on the eradication of the federal civil > service, along with its culture and values, and its replacement with > something different. In other words: regime change. > > > > No one should be surprised or insulted by this phrase, because this is > exactly what Trump and many who support him have long desired. During his > 2024 campaign, Trump spoke of Election Day > <https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/maidison-square-garden-election-fraud/680429/> > as > “Liberation Day,” a moment when, in his words, “vermin” and “radical left > lunatics” > <https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-authoritarian-rhetoric-hitler-mussolini/680296/> > would > be eliminated from public life. J. D. Vance has said > <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/27/trump-schedule-f-national-security/> > that > Trump should “fire every single mid-level bureaucrat, every civil servant > in the administrative state, replace them with our people.” Steve Bannon > prefers > to talk > <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-wh-strategist-vows-a-daily-fight-for-deconstruction-of-the-administrative-state/2017/02/23/03f6b8da-f9ea-11e6-bf01-d47f8cf9b643_story.html> > about > the “deconstruction of the administrative state,” but that amounts to the > same thing. > > > > These ideas are not original to Vance or Bannon: In the 21st century, > elected leaders such as Hugo Chávez or Viktor Orbán have also used their > democratic mandates for the same purpose.. Chávez fired 19,000 employees > <https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/05/07/how-venezuela-ruined-its-oil-industry/> > of > the state oil company; Orbán dismantled labor protections > <https://www.ifyoucankeepit.org/p/how-civil-service-purges-have-played> for > the civil service. Trump, Musk, and Russell Vought, the newly appointed > director of the Office of Management and Budget and architect of the > Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025—the original regime-change blueprint—are > now using IT operations, captured payments systems, secretive engineers, a > blizzard of executive orders, and viral propaganda to achieve the same > thing. > > > > This appears to be DOGE’s true purpose. Although Trump and Musk insist > they are fighting fraud, they have not yet provided evidence for their > sweeping claims > <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/us/politics/trump-musk-oval-office.html>. > Although they demand transparency, Musk conceals his own conflicts of > interest > <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/us/politics/elon-musk-companies-conflicts.html>. > Although they do say they want efficiency, Musk has made no attempt to > professionally audit or even understand many of the programs being cut. > Although they say they want to cut costs, the programs they are attacking > represent a tiny fraction of the U.S. budget. The only thing these policies > will certainly do, and are clearly designed to do, is alter the behavior > and values of the civil service. Suddenly, and not accidentally, people who > work for the American federal government are having the same experience as > people who find themselves living under foreign occupation. > > > > The destruction of the modern civil-service ethos will take time. It dates > from the late 19th century, when Theodore Roosevelt and other civil-service > reformers launched a crusade to eliminate the spoils system that dominated > government service. At that time, whoever won the presidency always got to > fire everyone and appoint his own people, even for menial jobs. Much of the > world still relies on such patronage systems, and they are both corrupt and > corrupting. Politicians hand out job appointments in exchange for bribes. > They appoint unqualified people—somebody’s cousin, somebody’s neighbor, or > just a party hack—to jobs that require knowledge and experience. Patronage > creates bad government and bad services, because it means government > employees serve a patron, not a country or its constitution. When that > patron demands, say, a tax break for a businessman favored by the leader or > the party, they naturally comply. > > > > Until January 20, American civil servants worked according to a different > moral code. Federal workers were under instructions to respect the rule of > law, venerate the Constitution, maintain political neutrality, and uphold > lawful policy changes whether they come from Republican or Democratic > administrations. They were supposed to measure objective reality—evidence > of pollution, for example—and respond accordingly. Not all of them were > good administrators or moral people, but the damage that any one of them > could do was limited by audits, rules about transparency, and again, an > ethos built around the rule of law. This system was accepted by > everyone—Republican-voting FBI agents, Democratic-voting environmental > officers, the nurses at veterans’ hospitals, the air-traffic controllers at > LAX. > > > > What precisely replaces the civil-service ethos remains unclear. Christian > nationalists want a religious state to replace our secular one > <https://bookshop.org/p/books/regime-change-toward-a-postliberal-future-patrick-j-deneen/18824066?ean=9780593086902&next=t&affiliate=12476>. > Tech authoritarians want a dictatorship of engineers > <https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/trump-musk-doge-engineers/681580/>, > led by a monarchical CEO. Musk and Trump might prefer an oligarchy that > serves their business interests. Already, DOGE has attacked at least 11 > federal agencies > <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/us/politics/elon-musk-companies-conflicts.html> > that > were embroiled in regulatory fights with Musk’s companies or were > investigating them for potential violations of laws on workplace safety, > workers’ rights, and consumer protection. > > > > The new system, whatever its ideology, will in practice represent a return > to patronage, about which more in a minute. But before it can be imposed, > the administration will first have to break the morale of the people who > believed in the old civil-service ethos. Vought, at a 2023 planning meeting > organized in preparation for this moment, promised exactly that. People who > had previously viewed themselves as patriots, working for less money than > they could make in the private sector, must be forced to understand that > they are evil, enemies of the state. His statement has been cited before, > but it cannot be quoted enough times: “We want the bureaucrats to be > traumatically affected,” he said > <https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-vought-center-renewing-america-maga> > at > the time. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go > to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains … We want to > put them in trauma.” > > > > The email Musk sent to most employees in the federal government, offering > them a “buyout”—several months’ pay, in exchange for a commitment to > resign—was intended to inflict this kind of trauma. In effect, Musk was > telling federal workers that he was not interested in what they were doing, > or whether they were good at it, or how they could become more efficient. > Instead, he was sending the message: *You are all expendable*. > > > > Simultaneously, Musk launched an administrative and rhetorical attack on > USAID, adding cruelty to the hostility. Many USAID employees work in > difficult places, risking terrorism and violence, to distribute food and > medicine to the poorest people on the planet. Overnight, they were told to > abandon their projects and come home. In some places, the abrupt end of > their programs, for example those providing special meals to malnourished > children, will result in deaths, and USAID employees know it. > > > > The administration has not acknowledged the dramatic real-world impact of > this cut, which will, if not quashed by the courts, result in relatively > minor budgetary savings. On the contrary, Musk and others turned to X to > lie about USAID and its alleged waste. USAID did not give millions of > dollars in direct grants > <https://www.npr.org/2025/02/07/nx-s1-5290282/politico-subscriptions-usaid-x-musk-trump> > to *Politico*, did not fund the visits of celebrities > <https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0m12wl0jwpo> to Ukraine, did not send > $50 million worth of condoms > <https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/12/politics/some-of-the-things-that-i-say-will-be-incorrect-musk-backs-away-from-false-claim-of-usd50-million-for-gaza-condoms/index.html> > to > Gaza, and did not pay $84 million to Chelsea Clinton > <https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chelsea-clinton-84-million-usaid/>. > But these fictions and others have now been blasted to hundreds of millions > of people. Information taken from grant databases is also being selectively > circulated, in some cases fed to internet trolls who are now hounding grant > recipients, in order to smear people and organizations that had legitimate, > congressionally approved goals. Musk and others used a similar approach > during the so-called Twitter Files scandal to discredit researchers and > mischaracterize their work. > > > > But the true significance of USAID’s destruction is the precedent it sets. > Every employee of every U.S. department or agency now knows that the same > playbook can be applied to them too: abrupt funding cuts and management > changes, followed by smear campaigns. The Consumer Financial Protection > Bureau, which safeguards bank customers against unfair, deceptive, or > predatory practices, is already suspended. The Environmental Protection > Agency and the Department of Education, which mostly manages student loans, > may follow. Within other agencies, anyone who was involved in hiring, > training, or improving workplaces for minority groups or women is at risk, > as is anyone involved in mitigating climate change, in line with Trump’s > executive orders. > > > > In addition, Musk has personally taken it upon himself to destroy > organizations built over decades to promote democracy and oppose Russian, > Iranian, and Chinese influence around the world. For example, he described > <https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1888574212316582230> the journalists of > Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, who take extraordinary risks to report in > Russia, Belarus, and in autocracies across Eurasia, as “radical left crazy > people.” Not long after he posted this misleading screed on X, one RFE/RL > journalist was released from a Belarusian prison > <https://www.npr.org/2025/02/12/g-s1-48479/belarus-prisoners-released-american-white-house> > after > nearly three years in jail, as a part of the most recent prisoner exchange. > > > > Putting them all together, the actions of Musk and DOGE have created moral > dilemmas of a kind no American government employee has faced in recent > history. Protest or collaborate? > <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/trumps-collaborators/612250/> > Speak > up against lawbreaking or remain silent? A small number of people will > choose heroism. In late January, a career civil servant, Nick Gottlieb, > refused to obey an order to place several dozen senior USAID employees > <https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/dozens-usaid-career-civil-servants-put-administrative-leave-rcna189539> > on > administrative leave, on the grounds that the order violated the law. “The > materials show no evidence that you engaged in misconduct,” he told them in > an email. He also acknowledged that he, too, might soon be removed, as > indeed he was. “I wish you all the best—you do not deserve this,” he > concluded. > > > > Others will decide to cooperate with the new regime—collaborating, in > effect, with an illegal assault, but out of patriotism. Much like the > Ukrainian scientists who have kept the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant > going under Russian occupation because they fear catastrophe if they leave, > some tech experts who work on America’s payment systems and databases have > stayed in place even as Musk’s team of very young, very inexperienced > engineers have demanded illegitimate access. “Going into these systems > without an in-depth understanding of how they work both individually and > interconnectedly is a recipe for disaster that will result in death and > economic harm to our nation,” one government employee told my > <https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/02/elon-musk-doge-security/681600/> > *Atlantic* > <https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/02/elon-musk-doge-security/681600/> > colleagues > Charlie Warzel and Ian Bogost > <https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/02/elon-musk-doge-security/681600/> > . > > > > Eventually, though, if the assault on the civil service is not blocked, > the heroes and the patriots will disappear. They will be fired, or denied > access to the tools they need to work, or frightened by the smear > campaigns. They will be replaced by people who can pass the purity tests > now required to get government jobs. Some will seem silly—are you willing > to say “Gulf of America” instead of “Gulf of Mexico”?—and some will be > deadly serious. Already, the *Post* > <https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/02/08/trump-administration-job-candidates-loyalty-screening/> > reports > <https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/02/08/trump-administration-job-candidates-loyalty-screening/>, > candidates for national-security posts in the new administration are being > asked whether they accept Trump’s false claim to have won the 2020 > election. At least two candidates for higher positions at the FBI were also > asked to state who the “real patriots” were on January 6, 2021. This > particular purity test is significant because it measures not just loyalty > to Trump, but also whether federal employees are willing to repeat outright > falsehoods—whether they are willing, in other words, to break the old > civil-service ethos, which required people to make decisions based on > objective realities, not myths or fictions. > > > > To show that they are part of the new system, many loyalists will also > engage in loud, performative behavior, designed to attract the attention > and approval of Trump, Musk, Vought, or their followers. Ed Martin, the > Trump-appointed interim U.S. attorney for Washington, D.C., wrote a missive > addressed to “Steve and Elon” (referring to Musk and his associate Steve > Davis) in which he vowed to track down “individuals and networks who appear > to be stealing government property and/or threatening government > employees.” If anyone is deemed to have broken the law “or acted simply > unethically,” Martin theatrically promised to “chase them to the end of the > Earth.” Ostentatious announcements of bans on supposed DEI or > climate-change projects will similarly threaten civil servants. Late last > month, the Air Force removed videos about the Tuskegee Airmen and the > Women’s Airforce Service Pilots, the first Black and female Air Force > pilots, from a training course. After an uproar, the videos were put back > <https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2025/01/27/air-force-reinstates-course-with-tuskegee-airmen-video-after-outcry/>, > but the initial instinct was revealing. Like the people asking FBI > candidates to lie about what happened on January 6, someone at the Air > Force felt obliged to deny older historical truths as well. > > > > Eventually, demonstrations of loyalty might need to become more direct. > The political scientist Francis Fukuyama points out > <https://www.persuasion.community/p/schedule-f-is-here> that a future IRS > head, for example, might be pressured to audit some of the president’s > perceived enemies. If inflation returns, government employees might feel > they need to disguise this too. In the new system, they would hold their > job solely at the pleasure of the president, not on behalf of the American > people, so maybe it won’t be in their interest to give him any bad news. > > > > Many older civil servants will remain in the system, of course, but the > new regime will suspect them of disloyalty. Already, the Office of > Personnel Management has instructed > <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/us/politics/trump-order-discrimination-federal-hiring.html> > federal > employees to report on colleagues who are trying to “disguise” DEI > programs, and threatened “adverse consequences” for anyone who failed to do > so. The Defense Health Agency sent out a similar memo. NASA, the Department > of Veterans Affairs, and the FBI have also told employees who are aware of > “coded or imprecise language” being used to “disguise” DEI to report these > violations within 10 days. > > > > Because these memos are themselves coded and imprecise, some federal > employees will certainly be tempted to abuse them. Don’t like your old > boss? Report him or her for “disguising DEI.” Want to win some brownie > points with the new boss? Send in damning evidence about your colleagues’ > private conversations. In some government departments, minority employees > have set up affinity groups, purely voluntary forums for conversation or > social events. A number of government agencies are shutting these down; > others are being disbanded > <https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/trump-anti-dei-orders-target-federal-employee-groups-rcna189212> > by > organizers who fear that membership lists will be used to target people. > Even private meetings, outside the office, might not be safe from spying or > snooping colleagues. > > > > That might sound implausible or incredible, but at the state level, > legislation > <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/11/texas-red-state-surveillance-book-bans-abortion/679950/> > encouraging > <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/11/texas-red-state-surveillance-book-bans-abortion/679950/> > Americans > to inform on other Americans > <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/11/texas-red-state-surveillance-book-bans-abortion/679950/> > has > proliferated. A Texas law, known as the Heartbeat Act, allows private > citizens to sue > <https://www.npr.org/2022/07/11/1107741175/texas-abortion-bounty-law> anyone > they believe to have helped “aid or abet” an abortion. The Mississippi > legislature recently debated a proposal to pay bounties to people who > identify illegal aliens for deportation. These measures are precedents for > what’s happening now to federal employees. > > > > And the fate of federal employees will, in turn, serve as a precedent for > what will happen to other institutions, starting with universities. Random > funding cuts have already shocked some of the biggest research universities > across the country, damaging ongoing projects without regard to > “efficiency” or any other criteria. Political pressure will follow. > Already, zealous new employees at the National Science Foundation are combing > through descriptions > <https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2025/02/04/national-science-foundation-trump-executive-orders-words/> > of > existing research projects, looking to see if they violate executive orders > banning DEI. Words such as *advocacy*, *disability*, *trauma*, > *socioeconomic*, and yes, *women* will all trigger reviews. > > > > There are still greater dangers down the road—the possible politicization > of the Federal Electoral Commission, for example. Eventually, anyone who > interacts with the federal government—private companies, philanthropies, > churches, and above all, citizens—might find that the cultural revolution > affects them too. If the federal government is no longer run by civil > servants fulfilling laws passed by Congress, then its interests might > seriously diverge from yours. > > > > None of this is inevitable. Much of it will be unpopular. The old idea > that public servants should serve all Americans, and not just a small > elite, has been part of American culture for more than a century. Rule of > law matters to many of our elected politicians, as well as to their voters, > all across the political spectrum. There is still time to block this regime > change, to preserve the old values. But first we need to be clear about > what is happening, and why. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert > *Sent:* Friday, February 14, 2025 9:12 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: We have names for certain cars. > > > > Just published by the Republican congress is a Tax plan that lists 4 > TRILLION dollars in tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations Stop kidding > yourself... This is a coup. With the cuts to working class benefits > hitting those who voted in this government they know that unless they > completely run elections in two years there is no way they stay in power.. > So they have two years to destroy democracy as we know it. Sovereign > wealth fund? That's going to be where the SS money goes... Yeah I have > this flu and a very dark outlook right now... > > On 2/14/25 5:42 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I am trying to reserve judgement on DOGE until the documentation of the > fraud, waste, and abuse is disclosed. Right now we really only have > statements from Elon and from Whitehouse staff. I don't know why we should > immediately have faith in their words. > > > > Also, while I applaud any excising of fraud, waste, and abuse, a $65 > billion savings or a $100 billion from tariffs barely move the needle when > we have budget shortfalls now measured in trillions. Every little bit > helps, but there will need to be some hard changes to avoid a major > financial crisis. The problem is Medicare and Social Security by the way. > Retiring baby boomers and lower birth rates post baby boom have caught up > with us. We can keep pretending that 3 billion for emergency room service > for illegal immigrants is the problem, and while we fight about that the > bus will keep driving towards the cliff. We might actually have to raise > taxes, increase SS withholdings, and overhaul healthcare (in one way or > another). We may also need to make *legal* immigration easier so we can > get a workforce sufficient to support our retirees. And most of those > immigrants will come from "shithole" countries because people aren't going > to make an effort to emigrate from a country where things are going well. > > > > None of those are things people can get elected on, and none of them are > easy for our two parties to agree on the correct paths for so I may just go > full prepper and stockpile for the impending depression. > > > > -Adam > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf > of Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2025 3:01 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: We have names for certain cars. > > > > praise kek > > > > I love watching the mental gymnastics of the musk haters. Its like a group > of karens who drank the pituitary gold from a pile of shaved incels, then > smoked some shit ditch weed and started trying to do a spoken word. If you > could capture that level of retard, amplify it by a magnitude of ten then > filter it through a coconut coffee filter and feed it to a retarded goat > with a lisp. The shit that goat took would be on par. > > > > I sometimes say "self, lets go to twitter and see what they have to say > today" And oh boy, do the soys not let me down, ever. > > > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 6:21 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > > Kekius Maximus? > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 6:14 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: We have names for certain cars. > > But he is a great emperor. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 3:39 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: We have names for certain cars. > > Elon Musk is a terrible president, besides the fact that no one voted for > him in any venue. Almost as bad as vice president Trump. > > and we were not considering the Nazi salute so much as his elevation of the > AfD in Germany. The Germans have every right to be scared of Neo-naziism. > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 2/5/2025 2:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > The 20 year olds from X that President Musk is dispatching to > > dismantle government agencies have been dubbed the "Musketeers". > > > > As far as the salute, I took it as Elon just being socially awkward, > > but rather than just say you guys took it the wrong way, he had to go > > and make a bunch of Nazi jokes (like I did Nazi see that coming). > > Plus he's supporting AfD in Germany. I still think he was just being > > nerdy Elon, but he doesn't make it easy to defend him. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 4:12 PM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: We have names for certain cars. > > > > With respect to swasticar.... > > I have seen photo montages of Obama (both of them) Taylor Swift, Nancy > > Pelosi and others with a right arm outstretched, palm flat facing > > downward.... > > > > When does it become a Nazi symbol? Is it only based on who is doing > > it? Is the angle of the arm an issue? Is there some kind of > > acceptable arm vector coordinates that qualify? How about finger > > arrangement, if you do a Vulcan salute does that get you off the hook? > Wrist angles? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Prince > > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 2:47 PM > > To: AFMUG > > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: We have names for certain cars. > > > > > > My wife and I have have names for certain cars. > > > > Prius = Cheese Wedge > > Cybertruck = SUT (Stupid Ugly Truck) > > Tesla (in general) = Swasticar. > > > > > > We also noticed that the Tesla Density (TD) in Palo Alto ,CA is maybe > > an order of magnitude above what we see in Saratoga, CA (in which the > > TD is so high that you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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