They could do the CPE side as described so far, but they may park additional 
birds on paths that serve a given area and deploy more earth stations to 
increase capacity in a funded area. 




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From: "Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com> 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> 
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 11:30:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hughesnet Fusion 



Since you mention Starlink, answer this for me. They have expressed interest in 
getting BEAD funds. How does that work? What specific infrastructure gets built 
if a state awards them BEAD money? I’m not being snarky, I genuinely don’t 
understand what they propose to do with the money to bring service to those 
locations. 



From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Dan P via AF 
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 11:09 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> 
Cc: Dan P <d...@webnx.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hughesnet Fusion 

I assume hughes will die a quick death as even over subbed starlink will miles 
ahead of it, and non over subed? Well its just laughable. We just recently got 
one of the small portable ones and damn its pretty neat when traveling. I was 
always a fanboy from the beta days but now its getting pretty neat if you want 
to go get way off the grid and still have good i-net 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2024 9:37 AM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hughesnet Fusion 

Never seen it, but my employer in 2005 or so was a retailer for one-way 
satellite with dialup return. It basically worked like that. They referred to 
it as a “dialup return” and the literature described it as using dialup for the 
uplink only, but in practice we found a lot of stuff used the dialup for 
downlink as well. DNS obviously, but also email traffic. I don’t remember what 
else, but I recall we were a bit surprised by how much the satellite was NOT 
used. But if you think about it, every dialup connection to their data center 
added another 24.6k of bandwidth, while the satellite just is what it is. I say 
24k because presumably these were rural people with long loops and they were 
never getting 56k. 

Most people ended up on 2-way satellite because the cost was lower after you 
accounted for a phone line and dialup account. 

I guess I’m saying it’s been done before and nobody liked it then, and they 
won’t like it now. Maybe it’s a way for Hughes to try to stay relevant so they 
can exploit the tail of the business cycle a little longer. 

-Adam 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2024 9:54 AM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] Hughesnet Fusion 

Has anyone tried (or know somebody who has) Hughesnet Fusion? 

The scheme to reroute latency sensitive traffic over a cellular connection 
sounds like a Rube Goldberg to me, and it seems like at that point you’d be 
better off with Starlink, or 5G Home Internet from TMo or VZW. I mean, if your 
important traffic is going over 5G, why not just use 5G. 

Does it actually work as promised, for things like gaming? 
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