" If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to make more than $17 an hour. "
Someone on the Internet is wrong... ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Ray" <ryan...@gmail.com> To: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@go-mtc.com> Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:54:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money, trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing. If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to make more than $17 an hour. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote: Not sure I am getting your point. Young people frequently struggle when starting out. The struggle is valuable. You get ahead by getting educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for. You do not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live in an area where it rains. You eat what you kill. In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities. That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money. So what is it you want me to learn here? In 1979 milk was $1/gallon. It is now $4.33. Same price adjusted for inflation ... I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did. Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents. Today, $4.50, same price adjusted for inflation... What do I need to learn here??? From: Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Chuck, I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want to learn and listen. Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn $18 an hour? Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets you $2500 monthly net. Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi Rent: $1100 Food (No Restaurants): $253 Utilities: $300 Gas?: $400 I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo? I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start. Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and you cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're being serious or not. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: <blockquote> One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard it is today compared to when I was younger. So I did a little comparison for her: My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour. That would be about $10.70/hour today. (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on the farm from 1960 until I escaped). My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman job in 1979 paid $4.50/hour. That would be about $18 today. My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982. Or about $36K today. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/ So how is it people have it so much worse today? From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually parent. Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move out. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <blockquote> On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.com > wrote: <blockquote> Yeah, that’s a problem for sure. All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and entitlement. Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To use a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it. I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and eating the same PB&J and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no monthly spend. I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as furniture. My monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit for food and my car. I was hungry for more, made my way by learning, taking what I could find and working my way up. And during none of that did I think to myself, “This is shit, I am entitled to more because I exist.” Lol My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all the time, or have conditions. I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time online. They still know they get nothing as a default, but they are more entitled in language and practice than my older kids. Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors. I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and some of these people just throw around money like it magically appeared to them out of thin air without a care. There is no accountability or explanation. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > Subject: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get paid to learn MIG mild steel welding. PT/FT flexible hours. We hire 17 year olds. I immediately got crap from this guy saying that the “young people of today” cannot exist on less than $18/hour which is what he gets and he works from home. Lots of people defended my $15/entry level, get paid to learn welding position. He deleted his post then sent me this: Hello there, Our of respect for you because it wasn't my intent to cause tension, I've deleted my comment on your posting. My only point was to emphasize that the going rate for a lot of entry level jobs is much higher than $15 an hour. Welding is a great skill and can open up great avenues in the future. However, The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot of candidates will not even walk through the door because other places even in the field of welding pay higher to start. What I emphasized at my company starting at $18 is just one example. We have people here that make well over $50 an hour because we operate on a commission structure. But that $18 base is livable when a one bedroom is $1000+ in tooele a month and depending on where you live it's as low as $1600+ Again, never meant to offend so I am sorry for causing you any trouble. <blockquote> I replied: So you expect someone to walk from High School directly into a job where they can have a nice home, car and things? Wow, without learning a trade, profession or other skill? Our $15/hour people take home $2000/month. Pretty sure someone can exist on that and the smart ones will have roommates or live with their parents. And the smarter ones will quickly be making more than $18/hour. We have exactly zero problems finding as many workers as we need. So your opinion that "youth of today" cannot exist on $15/hour is just that, unfounded opinion. I guess your definition of "exist" is different than mine. You can exist by walking, riding a bicycle or taking a bus to work. You can exist by eating home cooked meals and making a home made sandwich for your lunch. You can exist by wearing clothes from a thrift store. You don't need the latest iPhone and Netflix to exist. Read a book. The struggle IS the journey and is what creates grit and strong character. </blockquote> He replied and blocked me: Yeah Okay Boomer. I was reaching out to be nice but you clearly have no idea what life is like for us today. I just bought my first house at 31 because of how shit things are right now compared to when you were younger. 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